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Nick Grana

March 8th, 2006, 10:56 PM

Not mad. Not flaming. Not doing anything but pointing out something small, but personal, to me.
You see I have a new Sig. Why?
I had a quote listed and a cth sad.gif:sad: at the end.
I then had 'Bring our troops home, Now!!' in bold red and a cth curse.gif:curse: (I thought this was a mad.gif. did not bother to check)
CTH mods thought my red letters about the troops and the curse.gif was considered over-the-top and removed my red gif. Then my disgusted.gif:disgust:
was also removed. So I removed the whole thing. I was sorta dumbfounded.

We recently had a go about 'pointless news' and how one can be banned for that. I never saw an 'over-the-top' rule.
Was I wrong for being a little miffed?:hmm:
Running risk of life and limb here on 'open forum' but just thought you should know.:cool:
Wonder if a smaller version of this may have been accepted at the end:
http://myspace-004.vo.llnwd.net/00553/40/00/553760004_m.jpg1st Infantry Division (RVN 2/66-8/67):raphael:

Vercades

March 8th, 2006, 11:13 PM

It's about like that thing at the Bush State of the Union address, what's her name umm.. I forgot her name cursing Bush about her son dying in the war. She went to the address and was going to storm the podium while wearing some kind of political message.

The ushers put a stop to it but, later they found a women wearing "I support our troops" on her shirt they quickly removed her from the audience. It's a fair and balanced thing I think either that or they don't want a ruckus.

Maybe putting some things you found useful while using the net in your sig would balance things out, this site's sole purpose is tech support after all.

Nick Grana

March 8th, 2006, 11:25 PM

....this site's sole purpose is tech support after all.
Open Discussion Forum is not dedicated to tech support, is it?
As you stated, I, also, do not support the means some address this thing.
Protests at a fallen soldier's funeral? Despicable. They should be shot on the spot.
But 'I Support Our Troops' on a T-shirt being banned? Good Lord, man, you know how many signs and bumper stickers and shirts we use here in the states to show that support.:cool: Another thread.;)

Vercades

March 8th, 2006, 11:50 PM

Just a suggestion Nick,

I came up with a rule today I follow it and use it as my number 1 rule.

User discretion advised.

Whether CTH adopts that policy is up to them but, remember you're a guest in another person's domain.

If I walk into a factory of workers while wearing a shirt that says, I hate gay factory workers, I would be stupid in thinking no one would notice.

Your scenario is, this site is surrounded with tech help and assistance of pc problems or, pc enhancements. It's a little bit out of place, there is the option to not show your signature in another thread while you post.

Maybe take advantage of that while giving tech advice and only use it in the open discussion forum? Just another suggestion, I'm trying to help whether or, not it does is out of my hands.

See? No sig.

Mr Bean

March 9th, 2006, 12:31 AM

If you two carry on like this somebody is bound to digress...

Nick Grana

March 9th, 2006, 02:56 AM

Sorry guys. I mis-spoke that. No arguments here about what was said.
My sig is advertised on all forums I post on. It had a special meaning to me but I just wasn't thinking. One says OTT and one says not OTT. CTH rules.
I do see a great diff of putting gay and support our troops on same level.
My sig was not meant to hurt anyone but just convey my feelings. OK?
I broke my own motive for this topic by replying as I just wanted inputs.
No further comments from me to other replies.
I will not try to justify my opinion to others who may disagree. :cool:
Have a great day.:happy:

lufbra

March 9th, 2006, 04:35 AM

Open Discussion Forum is not dedicated to tech support, is it?

Neither is it a place to comment about something that should have be dealt with privately, but hey, you've said you won't be posting here again, so with a little luck this thread might just be closed. :p

smurfy

March 9th, 2006, 08:35 AM

Nick, personally I didn't have a problem with your old sig regardless of whether I agreed or disagreed with the sentiment expressed and never even noticed the emoticons.
Frankly I am surprised it was edited.

I too disagree with the "gay" analogy Vercades used.
We do have some specific rules around signatures (using Vercades analogy - preventing someone wearing a "BUY FORD" t-shirt while selling Chevs), otherwise they are bound by the same rules that apply to posts (i.e. non-offensive). It is possible it was seen as overtly political and someone may have complained.

The open discussion forum is like the cafeteria at a large workplace except the customers are allowed in as well as the workers.
You don't have to talk shop but the rules still apply. Politics, religion and controversy - no.
If I want to debate my left-wing leanings against a right-winger, I'll find a political forum to do it. If I want to debate the evils of organised religion as I see them, I'll find a religious discussion forum to do it.

If I want to chat with my "work"mates (yes even about the weather) and maybe partake of a bit of good-natured ribbing about a sports result or the affinity of the Welshmen for woolly quadrapeds :afro: , here's the place I can do it.

Mr Bean

March 9th, 2006, 12:35 PM

affinity of the Welshmen for woolly quadrapeds :afro: , here's the place I can do it.

***I would/have/don't knock it etc***

( Extract taken from the book of Beanie Ch 2 Vs 6,7 & 8 )

Snurfen

March 9th, 2006, 04:29 PM

***I would/have/don't knock it etc***

( Extract taken from the book of Beanie Ch 2 Vs 6,7 & 8 )
Surely you mean the book of "His Holiness, Chairman Bean"

Decay

March 10th, 2006, 01:01 PM

I dunno thats just silly imho ... i noticed his sig before and didn't come off as being 'anti' :curse:

but a mod here banned me for 2 days cause they disagreed with me so ... i could be wrong :dizzy:

errolo

March 10th, 2006, 09:46 PM

The open discussion forum is like the cafeteria at a large workplace except the customers are allowed in as well as the workers.
You don't have to talk shop but the rules still apply. Politics, religion and controversy - no.

I'm a little bit confused here. Are you saying that this is a forum for "Open discussion, but..." or is this a forum for "open discussion"? Understanding the need for decorum in any discussions that may take place here, am I to understand that any discussion of religion, politics or with controversy is not allowed? If so. please lay out what is allowed or disallowed, so I'll know ahead'a time.

Wouldn't want to offend anyone.

cajun

smurfy

March 11th, 2006, 04:06 AM

Isn't that what I just did?:curse:

zipulrich

March 11th, 2006, 04:53 AM

I'm priviledged to moderate the Open Discussion forum. What's allowed here is what I see fit, according to a secret algorithm known only to me and subject to change whenever I get the urge.

Often threads are started here with ideas/thoughts that I don't personally agree with, but if I see they aren't inflamatory or hurtful to others I leave them alone, as they foster discussion - just what this joint needs.

And I'll tolerate plenty of silliness, as long as it follows the not hurtful/inflamatory/etc. rule.

I didn't touch Nick's signature line, although he can always PM me and I'll find out who did & why for him if he'd like. I respect most every member here - it's you guys/gals that make CTH such a nice/informative place to be. I work on computers everyday, and CTH is as much a resource for me as anyone else here.

Thank you and have a nice day.

black mirror

March 11th, 2006, 01:21 PM

I was banned for a day with the reason given" Being a smart ass" not very friendly i must admit
The open forum isn't so much open as open only if certain people want the subject discussed.Big Brother is watching and waiting to tick you off the list of approved posters.

Ned Seagoon

March 11th, 2006, 02:18 PM

I was banned for a day with the reason given" Being a smart ass"

Give it a break, Smurfy and Zipulrich are two of the best moderators I've encountered on any board, they've given reasonable explanations.

Nick was a bit peeved that his signature was edited, but kept a civil tongue in his head and got good replys from the mods.

Obviously there is one mod who is perhaps a little sensitive, but perhaps he could have been responding to a legitimate complaint, Nick is not rocking the boat, so why are you few people trying to stir things up.

Some boards call this trolling, and many ban for even looking like a troll.

Let things rest please.

black mirror

March 11th, 2006, 04:30 PM

I didn't mean to cause offense to anyone Ned. lets say my fingers were uncontrollable on the day in question. i apologise to those concerned.

dammit

March 11th, 2006, 04:49 PM

Welcome to the banees club black mirror :D

DELTREE

March 11th, 2006, 06:03 PM

They banned me for I don't know what? for 3 days??

I am to the POINT that I don't know if I am welcomed here or not? MAY MOVE ON to some where I can say something and someone isn't PMing the MODS> crying because the DELTREE disagreed with them.

It would be nice if the MOD that ran the OPEN DISCUSSION was the one that gave a WARNING or BANNING so you/I where to know what is going on.All I know is I tried to get to this forum and this notice came up saying I was banned for 3or4 what ever days.Flamming? you know the DELTREE wouldn't do that!:confused:

oracle128

March 11th, 2006, 07:28 PM

I've had many arguments with mods and members alike. And I've never been banned once, so clearly I can vouch for the mods' rationality in only banning when they deem it necessary.

Personally, I think a sig can and should be whatever you want it; useful links, quotes, meaningful thoughts, jokes, and yes, political opinions if you like; all within reason, of course. And by "within reason", I mean don't say stuff you wouldn't say to a person in real life, avoid making comments which would incite flames from a sane person, and generally, use good manners and don't be racist, sexist, make defammatory remarks, etc. It's really not hard to avoid using stuff like that.

zipulrich

March 11th, 2006, 08:27 PM

DELTREE :
I am to the POINT that I don't know if I am welcomed here or not? MAY MOVE ON to some where I can say something and someone isn't PMing the MODS> crying because the DELTREE disagreed with them.
I've never received a PM or email from anyone concerning you. Ever. If you feel you need to 'move on', of course it's your choice - however, what you state is happening, isn't. At least not to my knowlege.

It would be nice if the MOD that ran the OPEN DISCUSSION was the one that gave a WARNING or BANNING so you/I where to know what is going on.
Well, that mod would be me. If I feel you should be banned, I'll tell you why & ban you. Straight out, no BS. I've never banned you, though. If you receive a ban here and don't understand the reasoning, PM or email me, another moderator, or the site Admin and you'll get the answer you need. I promise.

Unlike some other sites, most bans here are only temporary (a day or three). Long enough for cooling off, that's all. Permanent bans are only given to spammers, chronic flamers, and people I disagree with. ;)

Snurfen

March 11th, 2006, 09:27 PM

I've been yellow carded, for overstepping the mark a touch - another transgression and your in the sinbin, and also been congraulated for not biting when somebody was having a direct personal attack on me.

Lets put it all behind us and remember to take a step back when we feel the blood rise.

A few months back, a member pm'd me saying he tried to post with his sig in mind, which was a good balanced motto. Since then, not been threatened with a holiday.
I've had a few people overstep the mark with me and managed to be non-offensive back, but not roll over like a wuss. For me, thats very difficult, but worth the effort.

Deltree, if you are referring to me, I grassed you to the mods once because you persistently refused to use the quote tool, after a mod had told you the same. I'd also posted that to you in the thread before I did it. I refuse to post under a pseudoname and also never pm a mod with something I havent already put in a thread to the user who I',m talking about. Unless it's spam, just hit the alert button there.

DELTREE

March 12th, 2006, 12:47 PM

zipulrich, It wasn't you that BANNED me.
"Well, that mod would be me. If I feel you should be banned, I'll tell you why & ban you.I've never banned you."
I think you a FAIR,I know it wasn't you ;that is what confused me:confused:

Surfen ,"Deltree, if you are referring to me." etc.etc....quote tool etc......"
I didn't say it was you. For now on I will use """"" marks.Why would you think that?

black mirror

March 12th, 2006, 01:02 PM

Well you are unbanned now Deltree so welcome back and happy posting..

Ned Seagoon

March 12th, 2006, 01:15 PM

I think you are FAIR, I know it wasn't you; that is what confused me :confused:
And Deltree, many of your posts confuse us, please take a look at that little quote button down at the bottom right of any posts that you want to quote.

If you click it, a 'reply to topic' window will open, with the whole of that post quoted. All you need to do is edit out the stuff you don't want to quote and the rest will be there, just like in this post.

Amaze us, give it a try. :D

DELTREE

March 12th, 2006, 01:31 PM

Ned Seagoon,aka.BF. You are NOT a MOD. yet! over here.:D
"many of your posts confuse us" ????? don't be so confused!:confused:

black mirror

March 12th, 2006, 01:36 PM

:dizzy: im confused already:dizzy:

oracle128

March 12th, 2006, 02:02 PM

DELTREE, "don't be so confused!"

Think I'm saying something? I'm not, it's a quote of you. Did it confuse you? Good. That's how everyone else feels. Textual communication can be misinterpreted easily enough as it is, starting flame wars, arguments, etc. Using any tools available to you to get your message across the way it was intended is always a good idea; use of CAPS, proper punctiation, smilies, and of course using vBulletin tags to appropriately mark your code (or whatever other mechanism is available) helps people understand not only what you are saying, but how, which is just as important.

You're probably going to tell me something along the same lines as you told Ned ("you're not a mod, so f-off" essentially). No one can force you to do as I and others have suggested, but do you really want to cause flame wars simply because you couldn't be bothered placing a tag on either end of your cited text? Don't you remember what confusion you caused here (http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109184#post563848)?

Snurfen

March 12th, 2006, 03:24 PM

Ooooo look at me!!!! I'm showing restraint again.

Must be since my GF took me off coffee. :thumbsup:

black mirror

March 12th, 2006, 03:53 PM

Ooooo look at me!!!! I'm showing restraint again.

Must be since my GF took me off coffee. :thumbsup:

shouldnt you be watching the rugby?????:D

DELTREE

March 12th, 2006, 03:58 PM

oracle128,Don't be so confused! Are you also Ned?
("you're not a mod, so f-off" essentially). I didn't say that! you are reading to much into things.
black mirror,"im confused already". So am I???:confused:
"CONFUSION MAKES FOR GOOD CONVERSATION" A great MAN SAID!;)

black mirror

March 12th, 2006, 04:11 PM

Lets say we are all confused and put an end to confusion once and for all :D

Ned Seagoon

March 12th, 2006, 04:12 PM

I believe that the moment is near when by a procedure of active paranoiac thought, it will be possible to systematize confusion and contribute to the total discrediting of the world of reality.
Congratulations Deltree, Salvador Dali has found you, you've proved him right!

DELTREE

March 12th, 2006, 04:20 PM

Ned Seagoon,"Salvador Dali"
I NEVER heard of him! HE can say what he wants, Does he come to this forum? I am confused????
This GGGRRREAATTT MAN said" "CONFUSION MAKES FOR GOOD CONVERSATION" A great MAN SAID! My question to you is who was he??:laugh:

black mirror

March 12th, 2006, 04:25 PM

You have not heard of Dali Deltree,? a very great Painter who painted some very strange paintings.
have a look (http://www.poster.net/dali-salvador/dali-salvador-cygnes-refletant-des-elepha-2101768.jpg)

Ned Seagoon

March 12th, 2006, 04:30 PM

Confusion (http://atoz.iqhealth.com/HealthAnswers/encyclopedia/HTMLfiles/940.html)

black mirror

March 12th, 2006, 04:38 PM

Confusion (http://atoz.iqhealth.com/HealthAnswers/encyclopedia/HTMLfiles/940.html)

Well its official i have all the symptoms:D

DELTREE

March 12th, 2006, 04:49 PM

black mirror,"a very great Painter who painted some very strange paintings."
I looked at the painting: I think he is CONFUSED!!!:confused:
Like the GGGGRRREEAAT man said""CONFUSION MAKES FOR GOOD CONVERSATION" :D

Ned I look at your Confusion (http://atoz.iqhealth.com/HealthAnswers/encyclopedia/HTMLfiles/940.html) and that "Salvador Dali" I think fits right in there.

Snurfen

March 12th, 2006, 05:11 PM

nope, son to long course swimming selection this am, daughter to train station to go back to London this pm. Have to catch it and the GP tonight, in between studying and writing a report. :(
One of the french players is a DEAD ringer for beanie, so much so, that if you show her a picture of the player, she shouts DADDY.
It's frieghtening.

Back on topic.

It's good to see everyone cooling down and taking a bit of time to show tolerance. It's too easy to get sucked into arguments, they should be taken with a pinch of salt.

black mirror

March 12th, 2006, 06:08 PM

Out of all the painters Dali has to be the most strange,but coming a close second Is GOYA (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/goya/goya.saturn-son.jpg) his painting of Satan devouring his son is quite horrific( and strange ):D