Want another conspiracy theory?

[Nick Grana]

Do we have control over the weather? I just had this put to me today and, never hearing of it before, found it curious. Crazy but curious.:dizzy:
Weather Control (http://www.geocities.com/area51/shadowlands/6583/project338.html) link gone. Look at this (http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/2005/09/more-support-for-undeclared-global.html) one.

Weather War (http://www.gaiaguys.net/weatherwar.htm)

I know people that would never believe anyone went to the moon.
And don't even get some started on the Kennedy assassination.
I guess if there is really nothing to talk about, something can be conjured up to get the ball rolling.:rotflmao: ball rolling. Ok, lame.:sarcastic
But it is human nature for most to just sit back and if nothing in particular is affecting their peace and harmony, why make waves.:hmm:
I swear I don't make this stuff up just because.;)

[Rainbow32]

The U.S. military has been fu**ing with the weather for over a decade with H.A.A.R.P.
http://www.alaska.net/~logjam/HAARP.html
P.S. Your first link is down.

[Snurfen]

The U.S. military has been fu**ing with the weather for over a decade with H.A.A.R.P.
http://www.alaska.net/~logjam/HAARP.html
P.S. Your first link is down.
Does this mean we need tin foil umbrellas now? :laugh:

[Nick Grana]

Thanks rainbow. You know how geocities is. On, off, on, off.......:sad:
No, your whole body has to be wrapped in tin foil these days.
Microwaves can penetrate a lot of things.
I used to work with waveguides and attenuators measuring microwave frequencies. We would put crawly bugs (cockroach will do) in the waveguide and would drive the person testing crazy because readings were forever changing. Wonder why?
Back to weather wars and HAARP (http://www.haarp.com/vidsum.html) (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program).:D I love it.:laugh:

[Pi rules]

I know people that would never believe anyone went to the moon.
I did a report on the Apollo Project. Part of it was disproving the Apollo hoax theory. I didn't use this for my paper, but here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations) is a good link.

My favorite part:
One of the earthrise photos. The Flat Earth Society claimed these photos as evidence of a faked landing, since they show a spherical earth.
:dizzy:

[Rainbow32]

Now that's just plain crazy the earth is round.:laugh:
Ask Miz she's from Kansas and it's flat land for as far as the eye can see.

[Miz]

My part of Kansas is anything but flat. Just 50 miles north of where I live it'd be easy to believe the earth is flat...and nothing but shades of brown. ;)

[Vercades]

Apparently my lost gym sock had something to do with the halocaust. True story..lol

[Nick Grana]

Lived in Kansas City, Mo and Kansas City, Ks as a child and then worked there in the late '80's. Lived in Overland Park, Ks but worked in KC, Mo. I forgot the name of the street that divided Ks from Mo but standing in center of road with feet straddling the center line, I was in both states at same time.:D Being district manager for a computer company that served GSA and IRS centers in KC, we also maintained computers throughout that area. On one occasion I took a call for Dodge City, Kansas. I always wanted to go there, do a job, button up, and say "I'm get'n the hell outa Dodge.":thrilled:
Roll'n flatlands from KC to Dodge to Wichita. Snow sometimes butt deep to a giraffe, and cold to the bone with constant wind. I'll stay here, thank you.;)
But I digress. Think the government controlled that snow, wind, tornadoes, etc,?:confused:

[Rainbow32]

Nick Grana
I'll stay here, thank you.
Well Lewis and Clark did note in their journal that Kansas was only suited for Indians and buffalo.
Not knocking Kansas as I grew up in Goodland but can't say I miss the wheat fields.:D

[oracle128]

Do we have control over the weather?Nope, sorry. The closest we get is Cloud Seeding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding), and as limited of an effect that is, even it barely works as planned.

Edit: Pi, did you take a look at the Flat Earth Society Forums (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forums)? Those people scare me :eek:

[DELTREE]

I have heard about a lot of these things for years. Where the truth is in these things is anyones guess,BUT! I would not put anything passed are government.
One thing that has bothered me for years is:we went to the moon?it is a big place! WHY have we not went back there for years?:confused:

[Nick Grana]

WHY have we not went back there for years?:confused:
Probably because the only fun there is weighing 1/6th your weight and can jump real high. Outside that, what else can one do in those bulky suits?
I'm been to Disney Land and Disney World. Both big with lots to do and see but I really have no desire of going back.
Kinda lame, huh?:D

P.S. If I had the opportunity, I'd do the half million mile round trip at least one time. Rides from private companies will be coming soon. Big $$$$$$$ though.:hmm:

[Snurfen]

Prob haven't been back because there has been little benefit in it - though that may change in the coming decade or two.

in addition, Ronnald Raegan started diverting the funds to the "Star Wars" project (or whatever those ICBM intecerpting satelites were going to be called)

[Vercades]

Nick Grana

Well Lewis and Clark did note in their journal that Kansas was only suited for Indians and buffalo.
Not knocking Kansas as I grew up in Goodland but can't say I miss the wheat fields.:D

Corn fields here..:D

[Nick Grana]

Corn fields here..:D
Thought you just had blue grass.:D Guess corn grows in blue grass also.;)

[oracle128]

Many conspiracy theorists have a field day with the fact that we haven't been to the moon for a while. That's clearly proof that we've never been there right? Morons. As Snurfen said, we haven't been there because there's no benefit of another trip there now. There are 3 reasons why we have been/will want to go to the moon:
-Just because we can, to see if it can be done (done that, 1969)
-Examine the moon rocks for cosmic rays and other geeky stuff (we already have enough rocks for a lifetime of study, and compared to the millions of years the rocks have been there, 40 years of change in the rocks is negligable)
-To setup a moonbase for easier further space exploration (military bases are against international law, and we don't yet have the technology and planning to efficiently send base construction equipment up there)

So, at the present time, there is no reason for spending millions of dollars for another moon visit. You should be thankful NASA aren't wasting your tax money.

[Rainbow32]

WHY have we not went back there for years?
You haven't heard the latest? Bush wants to spend 100's of billions of $ to get us to Mars. I just as soon see the money spent on subsidising the price of gas back down to 25 cents a gallon, what I paid when I was in high school. No I'm not a hundred years old, just a little over half that.

did you take a look at the Flat Earth Society Forums? Those people scare me


Cool I'm going to join up!

[Pi rules]

Check out that forum's FAQ here (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1324).
The sun and moon, each 32 miles in diameter, circle Earth at a height of 3000 miles at its equator...When you look at these celestial bodies, even with a telescope, they're entirely two-dimensional...The Earth is accelerating upwards at 1g (9.8m/s-2) along with every star, sun and moon in the universe. This produces the same effect as gravity. I don't know where to start. :dizzy:

Edit: I was too busy laughing to put the link in.

[Nick Grana]

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: Just above your quote was this:
Q: "What is the circumference and diameter of the Earth?"
A: "Circumference: 78225 miles, Diameter: 24,900 miles
I guess that nullifies my years of thinking the earth is spinning about 1000MPH making it in the area of 25,000 around the equator.:D
A site like that can sure make a person feel dumb. NOT!!! :thrilled:
I guess the 8 minutes it takes for the sun's light to get here is wrong too.
But tell that to Kellogg's Corn Flakes commercials I saw as a child.
93,000,000\186,000 (C)\60=8.3 minutes:thrilled: Corn Flakes do not lie.:cool:

I guess this puts this FAQ in proper perspective......completely looney tunes.
Q: "What's underneath the Earth?"
A: This is unknown. Some believe it to be just rocks, others believe the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle.:D

[Snurfen]

A: This is unknown. Some believe it to be just rocks, others believe the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle.:D

Did you read the Flat Earth FAQ or one of Terry Prathcett's Discworld novels? :rotflmao:

[renegade600]

Many conspiracy theorists have a field day with the fact that we haven't been to the moon for a while. That's clearly proof that we've never been there right? Morons. As Snurfen said, we haven't been there because there's no benefit of another trip there now. There are 3 reasons why we have been/will want to go to the moon:


who says we had not been to the moon since, what about that big top secret military base we have on the moon? You know that one the aliens help build.

[Snurfen]

who says we had not been to the moon since, what about that big top secret military base we have on the moon? You know that one the aliens help build.

Sorry Dan, completely forgot about that one! The one Straker runs in Space 1999? (http://www.space1999.org/)

[Miz]

Years ago, I had the misfortune to chat with a guy on IRC who truly believed there was an alien base on the moon.

Their purpose was to sabatage the world's space programs to keep humans contained because they would be a bad influence on intergalactic society. Therefore, it was the aliens that made a recently launched probe malfunction.

He did not appreciate it when I asked why a number of species, all of whom, according to him, had developed techonology far beyond ours would quake in terror at a pitiful little automated probe launched at Mars. :D

[Rainbow32]

Getting back to the topic of weather.........
http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote04.html

[Snurfen]

LOL ! The aliens are probably worried about McD's Burger King and KFC opening on Alpha-Centauri!

[oracle128]

Did you read the Flat Earth FAQ or one of Terry Prathcett's Discworld novels? Yeh, that's the kicker, some of those nuts are taking the whole Discworld thing as scientific fact, rather than the science fiction. Hmm, remind you of something (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology)?

[Nick Grana]

Don't get Tom Cruise going on that.:dizzy:
I like this from Rainbows link: "Drake equation can have any value from "billions and billions" to zero. An expression that can mean anything means nothing."
That's what I call covering all your bases. So it's not science but religion
since there is no way to absolutely prove or disprove it.:cool:

[oracle128]

The two equations they displayed aren't incorrect or relying on "faith", they're just hypothetical. Meaning, until we come to a time or situation where we do have the ability to fill in the variables with a set of probable numbers, they're useless. It's only when people try to fill in the blanks with guesses that it becomes a type of faith - because what those organisations did was not scientific. Even if you were to take probable scenarios to fill in the variables, it still wouldn't be science, it would be a mathematical probability equation.

[Nick Grana]

Probability is expectation founded upon partial knowledge. A perfect acquaintance with all the circumstances affecting the occurrence of an event would change expectation into certainty, and leave neither room nor demand for a theory of probabilities. George Boole
This looks applicable to science, math, or religion.
Any or all could be proven in a certain instance at some point.:cool:
He did not appreciate it when I asked why a number of species, all of whom, according to him, had developed techonology far beyond ours would quake in terror at a pitiful little automated probe launched at Mars. :D
As in 'War of the Worlds', GERMS.:thrilled: "Don't bring your cooties here!!":happy:
:rotflmao: I laugh where the mention of conspiracy theories leads us.;)

[oracle128]

http://www.clavius.org/

I don't understand a lot of the photography stuff he talks about, but the 'Conspiracy' and 'Environment' sections are a pretty good read. My favorite is the "Problems of Scale (http://www.clavius.org/scale.html)" page.

[Snurfen]

Excellent link there oracle, I really enjoyed the photography explanations. Having worked very party time as a grip in my long lost mate's professional studio, it makes a lot of sense to me.

Bizarrely, writing this post led me to google his name. I was quite flabbergasted at the results - try googling Piers Bizony. A coincidence (for this thread) or what!

[Nick Grana]

Occam's Razor is used to cut away elements of theories which cannot be observed.
Reminds me of Sherlock Holmes: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.:happy: