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Nick Grana

July 12th, 2006, 02:51 PM

Of course this doesn't count the 'War on Terrorism' we presently have going.
"North Korea Is Firing Missiles. Iran Is Going Nuclear. Somalia Is Controlled By Radical Islamists. Iraq Isn't Getting Better, And Afghanistan Is Getting Worse"...and on and on and on.....
Will diplomatic talks really help? Who's going to start this?
Will Bush use a preemptive strike against N. Korea? Will other nations accept this? Oppose? Will Japan strike N. Korea?
While stationed in Korea I visited the DMZ (I was in Taegu for a year). You can reach out and touch each other. The trick is to keep a poker face: no blinking, no smiling, no flashing a quick obscene gesture, no going cross-eyed to see if you can crack his stone-cold stare. A trip to the DMZ jerks one wildly between cold moments of absolute deadly seriousness and memorable instances of pure goofiness. What a trip.
Plan your next vacation there. NOT! :cool:

black mirror

July 12th, 2006, 04:26 PM

No im not ready

Nick Grana

July 13th, 2006, 01:10 PM

Russia and China want to slap N. Korea's hand.....mildly.
Everyone else of the M8 want heavy sanctions.
I want to make N. Korea merge with S. Korea even if it means making it a parking lot or large air-strips. I actually hope Japan gives way first and puts the skids on them. America does not need to make the first strike again.
While many folks just like to ignore this and go about their business, I think of it in short term future disaster. If you think it does not affect your immediate life, think again.
I'd really like to hear your views. No opinions? Fine. I'll think to myself.:cool:
(no, not bumping for a reply but merely had something else to say on the subject) If I think of something else, well, you know.;)
Israel is expanding their presence to include more countries. This also will lead to a final straw that breaks the camel's back.
Any comments on the U.S. always backing Israel in spite of what it does.:confused:

Archangel122184

July 13th, 2006, 01:21 PM

Interesing posts... if not devoid of substance.

No, diplomatic talks will not help. Korea refuses 6 natioin negotiations because the don't want to give up their nuclear program. Korea wants a 1 on 1 with the US so it can make threats and try to extort something from the US goverment.

Bush will not execute a preemptive strike... he actually laughed at Korea's missles falling into the sea far before their target range. Frankly it doesn't matter if he did though... The world knows that these are nuclear missile tests, the US isn't the only country thats a little uncomfortable with the people who created the Ho Chi Minh trail having weapons that can kill hundreds of thousands in a flash. Although, it would be in everyone's best interest if Japan just "lost it". Japan currently has the largest probability of being attacked by N.Korea so if they preempted it would be much more reasonable than the US using it fly swatter again. Of course after that happened, the UN could enforce a peace keeping force (made up primarily of US troops) and then force N.Korea to shut down operations.

One last comment... enough of the doomsayer posts.

oracle128

July 13th, 2006, 01:48 PM

Nick,
Every day you sound one step closer to that crazy old guy (http://shiar.org/happy/tv/cdance.gif) on the street corner raving about how the Apocalypse is nigh.

Regards,
Your pal Oracle ;)

Nick Grana

July 13th, 2006, 02:28 PM

I find it hard to believe in these posts. It's not raving to talk about world news that is in everyone's interest. I will not bury my head in the sand as most do. "If it doesn't specifically have an effect on me, then why bother."
Of course it's not devoid of substance., That's the point. It is substantial.
Younger people will dismiss these scenarios more readily than older folks.
Just think happy thoughts and may all your wishes and dreams come true.
Coming up with topics of substance to be discussed is lacking on my part.
Sorry for the inconvenience of some real news of the day. Read the funnies.:D
Thanks for the opinions.:happy:

Murray S.

July 13th, 2006, 02:31 PM

Howdy:

I usually try to stay out of these "discussions" but going to say just one thing then bug out..

Maybe people get so sick and tired of hearing about all the global crisis going on during their day to day routine and they come to forums like this to get away from it??

Just a thought !!

Murray

Tortanick

July 13th, 2006, 02:45 PM

If you don't think dieing is a bad thing then vague storm clouds on the horizon can't distract you from the beauty of today.

Serously, either go out their and make a diffrence, or bury your head in the sand, but don't sit around thinking this is terrible, feeling misrable, and telling anyone in earshot.

Nick Grana

July 13th, 2006, 02:52 PM

Murray, I appreciate what you say and really appreciate the way you said it, nicely for a change.:happy:
There are thousands of places to go on the net to get away from it all.
But open discussion is where I try to engage in something besides marbles sometimes. If it's too harsh and reality based, just skip it.:happy:
It's becoming more and more clear that a list of topics to be open for discussion will be made up and adhered to. I can live with that also.:cool:
If you care to add 2 cents, feel free. If you want a loan, go to the bank.:D

black mirror

July 13th, 2006, 03:04 PM

I dont mind your topics Nick.... they are interesting for someone who doesnt take too much interest in the world around her.. due to the fact 99% of the time iis stressed out just coping with life...in general.....
I believe that if you are personally not interested you dont have to read the posts....and shouldnt comment :D

You cant please all the people all of the time Nick... its a waste of time trying...

Now im going to start my own thread on the best way to boil an egg without ending up in casualty:D
have a nice day:D

Nick Grana

July 13th, 2006, 04:17 PM

You cant please all the people all of the time Nick... its a waste of time trying...
God, are you so right there. I don't expect to please anyone not interested.
It's not meant to please but discuss only. That concept is lost on some.
But I'm sick of idiots not interested complaining just for the he!! of it.
You don't want to play, just SHUT UP!!!!
It's no sweat off my gonads if you read it or not.:disgust:
(Thanks, BM. It's nice to know there are more nice people like you out here than the jerks I keep running into.);)
It will not sway me in my comments.:cool:
(BTW, if you are not one of the jerks I mention, disregard.
The ones I speak of know who they are.:thrilled:)

black mirror

July 13th, 2006, 04:25 PM

If i have a different opinion to someone i will say my piece..what i dont expect to have it anaylsed and quoted and shredded to pieces... ( unless its nice comments being made):D ... in order to make me look like an idiot(it .hurts my feelings but maybe its a woman thing:D )
.. If we all had the same opinions and beliefs it would be a waste of time posting answers...to questions in OD
You should be able to have your own opinion and not feel ashamed or embarrased about saying so......:D

I try to inject a little humour in as well... If you cant laugh at yourself who can you laugh at???

There i have stepped down from my soapbox as im scared of heights and i can see cobwebs on the ceiling... which means spiders.. :D

DonBB

July 13th, 2006, 04:34 PM

No one is forcing them to read all of the posts. If they don't like the topic, then they should move on to the next one, there are plenty of other topics in "Open Discussion," not to mention in the other topic categories.....

Nick Grana

July 13th, 2006, 04:42 PM

If they don't like the topic, then they should move on to the next one...
You can't use logic, Don. The people that do what they do best has no logic.:cool:

DELTREE

July 13th, 2006, 04:55 PM

My POINT of view: We can win a war with N.K. we have done before, with out the help of China there would be NO N.K. just Korea.
If it is going to happen there is not to much I can do about it.
I just pray about it, if it is GOD'S will then so be it.
http://bestsmileys.com/army/11.gif
http://bestsmileys.com/army/4.gif

Seth_

July 13th, 2006, 05:19 PM

This forum is called "Open Discussion". As such, any topic is relevant provided it doesn't promote hatred, etc.

Here's a crazy idea: If you don't like Nick's topics, then don't respond!

DELTREE

July 13th, 2006, 05:30 PM

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE POST! DON'T POST!! AND STOP THE CRAP!!!
http://bestsmileys.com/love1/21.gifONLY TRYING TO HELP!?

DonBB

July 13th, 2006, 05:39 PM

That was my point exactly.....

black mirror

July 13th, 2006, 05:44 PM

Seth_

July 13th, 2006, 05:46 PM

Make Love Not War..boy i wish i had been a hippie.. i would have made a good one:D

Hey it's never too late.

Just come to Canada...pot possession is legal here:D

black mirror

July 13th, 2006, 05:51 PM

Thats why Mr bean is coming to your shores then:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

oracle128

July 14th, 2006, 05:28 AM

Japan can't afford to strike first. They've got a strong economy now, but they can't handle being nuked again. Being a technological nation, all N.Korea has to do is explode a nuke or two in the skies, an the resulting EMPs just eliminate any advantage Japan has. And the high population density isn't going to help either, once it rains nuclear fallout.

That said, if the US strikes, Japan will willingly assist - even if it only means providing resources and a base of operations (aircraft carriers can only hold so much, and are vulnerable to N.K.'s navy). N.K. will fail miserably; apart from their faulty ICBMs, they really don't have the power to survive a tactical naval/air strike, let alone a full assault. Much of their army's training has been in preparation for an attack on South Korea.

As for S.K., that's an interesting scenario. I'm sure they will support the assault, but I'm not sure to what degree. I predict much of N.K.'s civillians will seek refuge in S.K.; who naturally don't have the room to provide for them, so will begin to assimilate N.K. I don't believe N.K. will fully integrate with the south though; 80-90% will remain 'the country of North Korea', but will either be ruled by an S.K. puppet, or a North Korean with S.K. ideals. Roughly 15-20 years on, N.K. will gain back the missing territory. Can't say anything about the political structure though, since I'm not that way inclined.

Looking even further; I predict in about 60-70 years, South Korea will be "the bad Korea". Don't know why yet though.

Seth_

July 14th, 2006, 05:45 AM

Looking even further; I predict in about 60-70 years, South Korea will be "the bad Korea". Don't know why yet though.

It's because in 60-70 years the earth's poles will flip and everything will be backwards.:D

oracle128

July 14th, 2006, 10:48 AM

Oh well that explains it. So America will be the new 'Down Under' then? And the country of Rand McNally (http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:iX4LI5AzxWAJ:www.snpp.com/episodes/2F13.html+site:http://www.snpp.com/episodes/2F13+Rand+McNally&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1) will be normal?

DELTREE

July 14th, 2006, 04:22 PM

The problem with Japan is they don't have a standing army: we are their army.
"It's because in 60-70 years the earth's poles will flip and everything will be backwards."
You just maybe RIGHT on that one?;)
I don't think there will be a day without a war somewhere, I just hope that somewhere isn't here!

Miz

July 14th, 2006, 06:07 PM

Archangel122184

July 14th, 2006, 07:20 PM

According to the article, "Fall in Earth's Magnetic Field is Erratic" by David Gubbins of the University of Leeds, published in Science, the earth's magnetic field has been fading at an accelerated rate for the last 140 years.

He concludes the field will disappear completely in about 2,000 years. Compasses then will be useless anywhere from a few years to a few thousand years until new, reversed fields appear.

If his figures and conclusions are correct, I'm pretty sure I don't have to worry about it quite yet. :D

One thing that you forgot to mention... the lack of a magnetic field also means far less UVa/b and Gamma protection... much of life will end. I'm sure the human race will have long since prepared artificial environments to grow food, but anything that is exposed will die. Or... maybe in 2000 years we'll be able to augment the magenetic field ourselves...

minorgeek

July 14th, 2006, 09:07 PM

black mirror

July 14th, 2006, 09:09 PM

Sounds like a Bob Dylan to me

Miz

July 14th, 2006, 09:11 PM

One thing that you forgot to mention... the lack of a magnetic field also means far less UVa/b and Gamma protection... much of life will end. I'm sure the human race will have long since prepared artificial environments to grow food, but anything that is exposed will die. Or... maybe in 2000 years we'll be able to augment the magenetic field ourselves...

Gubbins mentions it, I didn't bother. Gubbins is of the opinion that the human species has survived the absence of the magnetic field and it's accompanying problems so he expects it will again.

I doubt either he or I will be around to find out if he's right, though. :D

Archangel122184

July 14th, 2006, 09:38 PM

black mirror

July 14th, 2006, 09:46 PM

You may not want to be so sure about that...

This isn't the article I was looking for but it deals with the same kind of research... the cure for old age...

http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/publish/article_1334.shtml

I am more interested in a pill that will turn into a 3 course meal with mints and coffee.. just add water:D

oracle128

July 15th, 2006, 07:04 PM

I am more interested in a pill that will turn into a 3 course meal with mints and coffee.. just add water:D
And a robot maid named Rosie?

black mirror

July 15th, 2006, 07:08 PM

No A full sized clone called Vin:D

Nick Grana

July 16th, 2006, 02:40 PM

They're rioting in Africa, they're starving in Spain, there are hurricanes in Florida, and Texas needs rain. The whole world is festering with unhappy souls, the French hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles. Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch, AND I don't like anybody very much.
:rotflmao: I'll look for your agent orange house.:D

Israel is bombing Lebanon and closing in on Beirut. Syria is po'd.
Iran is right there. Protestants hate catholics and vice-versa in U.K.
I don't really care about the magnetic poles in 2000 years. What I do have
a keen interest in is NOW. The Middle East sucks. The Far East sucks.
By sucks I mean sucking in every warfare weapon by any means.
Japan does not have to hit N.K. before N.k. just decides to lay a big one
over Japan. I doubt they have a big enough one to cause great EMP damage.
The U.S. can't even handle its own business much less everyone else's.
I'm not concerned with 'IF' but really thinking 'when'?
Does Israel have the right to send bombers because two soldiers were captured? Israel thinks it can do anything with impunity. Why does the U.S. condone everything Israel does. The Palestinians have some valid points. They just happen to contain more Muslims who are not too popular these days.

N.K. beat the heck out of S.K. and pushed the U.S. forces to Pusan before we recharged and repelled them back to the stalemate of the 38th parallel.
We live in very dangerous times, friends. Any idiot can start it at any time.
It's not like the cold war of U.S. and Russia. It's a hot bed the world over.
Just waiting for the first jerk-off to pull the trigger.

I'm not scared nor do I think of this with every waking moment. But it is a
current event worth taking note of.
I'm constantly told to go somewhere else to talk of this but why should I?
I have a right to put my 2 cents in the Open Forum just like anyone else.
And, as already stated many, many times, if you don't like it, don't read it.
If you want to participate in the discussion, then by all means jump in.
But to jump froggy with OT BS, you just show ignorance as to what it's all about. But I digress. I know some can not help it. But try to add to the discussion in a positive way with your perceptions and ideas and keep the thread sanitary and free of ugly debris that you just can't refrain from.:cool:

When and if we ever leave Iraq, it will revert back to what it was. These countries with a history of thousand year wars will continue to do battle.
One or two good intention countries can not sway the natural order of things.
At best, we can only hope to keep it at arms length from our borders.
Most of us want to live in peace and harmony. Others want just the opposite.:disgust: Some thrive on disorder and chaos.:cool:

Snurfen

July 17th, 2006, 12:13 AM

And there was us thinking some mad Mullah was going to start it all off.
I'm sending a cheque to Zipulrich for TFH's for the whole family.

Seriously though, I cannot understand how Israel can continue to spout this absolute rubbish about pretending to be going after "terrorist" targets.
If the Leabnese had started lobbing artillery in such concentration into Israel, there would be hell to pay from the international community.

These guys in the Knessit (the Israeli parliament) need a swift kick in the pants to put their situation into perspective, otherwise they WILL start a new front in the Middle East. Something we can all do without.

black mirror

July 17th, 2006, 08:01 PM

I think its about time they changed their name from The Holy land to something more appropriate

Seth_

July 17th, 2006, 08:42 PM

I think its about time they changed their name from The Holy land to something more appropriate

Given the amount of bomb craters, the title "Holy Land" seems apt to me.

black mirror

July 17th, 2006, 08:44 PM

Given the amount of bomb craters, the title "Holy Land" seems apt to me.

How True

Nick Grana

July 17th, 2006, 09:02 PM

I'm glad that at least some can add validity to my judgments on Israel.
If same scenario but different country, my sentiments would be the same.
One or two idiot suicide bombers or a couple of captured soldiers does not constitute all out bombardment or invasion.
Now if 3000+ are killed, invasion of Afghanistan, then Iraq, then eyes on Iran, N. Korea, and whomever we deem harboring terrorists, or procuring nuclear devices, is fair game. Or so it appears.
China and Russia will always be aligned together. U.S., Japan, and U.K. will pretty much stay in alliance. The Middle East and Far East are pressure cookers. The Western and Eastern blocks are poised. What straw will break the camel's back? I'm writing a book and looking at the most likely outcomes.
I'm missing chapters that will conclude this story as being a mystery, a love story, or world war. I have my personal choices of the end.:cool:

black mirror

July 17th, 2006, 09:11 PM

I have always found the war in the" Holy" land hard to understand... in fact i find it hard to understand war in general....Life is so precious and yet our brave young men and women from all walks of life continue to join the armed forces in the hope to make a difference....
I have 2 sons at the moment applying to join the RAF.. Royal Air Force.... to learn a trade and hopefully have a job for life.. will this involve them risking their lives??.. maybe.. Is it a good way to see the world.??. yes.. Is it better than stacking shelves or working in a bank??.. I believe if it is their choice and they have not been pressured into it.. a resounding yes.. but the most important question is will i ever get a good nights sleep again.. I doubt it:sad:

chapper

July 17th, 2006, 09:26 PM

I really don't think there is any thing to worry about wher NK is concerned with China sitting on her back. Don't forget China has an historical claim on Korea and they sure don't like the Japanse.
Don't even get me started on Israel :evil: In my useless opinion there is not a bomb big enough to use on them. Details of my rant on that subject would take pages!
Sadly it doesn't seem like the Arab nations will ever work together; so the Mideast will always be a problem long after I'm dead & gone.
I personally don't think we're near a third WW, but then I'm not a prophet.
I guess above all I wish is that we'd keep our nose out of EVERYBODIES problems.
God forbid we keep up the pre-emption crap. Have no doubt that pre-emption as well as the never ending song and dance about terrorism are well established fascist tactics!
Man didn't you love Putin's reply to Bush's statements about our exporting democracy when he said "they did'nt want that kind of democracy!" It seems Bush even BLUSHED at the retort...RFLMAO

Snurfen

July 17th, 2006, 10:00 PM

I'm not so sure chapper, there does seem to be an element of string puling going on from Iran. Possibly seeing the US tied up in Afghanistan and Iraq as an opportune moment to stir things up in Israel/Palestine.

I seriously think that the Israeli government need to sit back and think this through, especially as Condoleeza Rice effectively washed her hands of them during her statement in Germany last friday.

tom_36

July 17th, 2006, 10:36 PM

I was wondering why there are 10,000 Brits in Lebanon ion the 1st place..

black mirror

July 17th, 2006, 10:37 PM

I was wondering why there are 10,000 Brits in Lebanon ion the 1st place..

Not any more. evacuation starting

Snurfen

July 17th, 2006, 10:44 PM

My mates daughter was evacuated this afternoon, she was on the chinook that took a light blast and blew the windows out. She's ok but needs new slacks, by all accounts.

tom_36

July 17th, 2006, 10:47 PM

Not any more. evacuation starting

Why are they there anyway? Why would ANYONE want to move to Lebanon? Or live there?

black mirror

July 17th, 2006, 11:00 PM

Why are they there anyway? Why would ANYONE want to move to Lebanon? Or live there?

I am sorry i really dont know Tom 36:D

Nick Grana

July 17th, 2006, 11:35 PM

Hezbollah Sharply Rejects Cease-Fire, Say It Will Continue Rocket Strikes.
Over 1000 short range rockets fired into Israel and being told has a supply of 10-12000. Syria and Iran claim innocence. Lebanon can't even move the Hezblooah. Now Saudi Arabia wants to join in supporting Israel.
25,000+ being evacuated from Lebanon. Americans, Italians, Brits, etc.
Don't forget, Israel fired first.

In the mean time, Bush puts foot in mouth with open mike talking to Blair.
"The sh_t heard 'round the world." I don't mind him cursing but quit holding oneself so high and mighty before accidents like this happen.:hmm:

Crude oil fell 2.3 percent in New York, the biggest decline in five weeks, on speculation that Israel may stop its attack on Lebanon within days.
Get ready for it to rise again. Israel will not stop.:cool:

Nick Grana

July 17th, 2006, 11:42 PM

I believe if it is their choice and they have not been pressured into it.. a resounding yes.. but the most important question is will i ever get a good nights sleep again..
My Mom is not around to tell you how she felt when all 4 of her children, my
3 brothers and myself, and her husband, our step-dad, all served in Vietnam within a 4 year period. One brother and I and my step-dad were there at the same time. I feel for you, BM. I wish them good fortune.:happy:

Archangel122184

July 18th, 2006, 01:06 PM

Don't forget, Israel fired first.

That is very relative... this "war" has been going on for some time (since Israel left Lebanon in 2000). Hezbollah started the current situation when they attacked an army outpost just across the border killing 5? and capturing 2.

Nick Grana

July 18th, 2006, 02:04 PM

Hezbollah drew first blood. But Israel retaliated with bombers and rockets and missiles. This is part of the next stage in the war on terror -- isolating terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah and punishing their patrons like Syria and Iran. Meanwhile the death count rises to new highs. Israel does not, nor will not, cease fire until major damage is done to the Hezbollah and drive them 20 miles inland and destroy all munitions. Could be a while.:cool:
Just another walk in the park of the Middle East. Nothing new. Will get worse.:hmm:

Archangel122184

July 18th, 2006, 03:31 PM

Its going to get a lot worse. Iran and Syria are already providing personell to Hezbollah. Nothing substatial, just special operations groups, but none the less it shows a commitment. There is also a little problem with Hezbollah saying Israel will be "blown off the map" if they breach Demascus. They may have the weaponry to back that up too. Iraq is supplying them with drones that can carry short range billistics and they now have short range missles with a radius of 185 miles that can carry bio/chem payloads.

To make matters worse, if Israel were to force the Hezbolla into Iran or Syria, they'll have to face 3 armies since Iran and Syria have mutual defense agreement. That would be bad since the U.S. has been backing Israel since the '70s. If Israel breaches Demascus and moves on to Iran this will be a world war... No country will stand for bio/chem weapons being fired, the U.S. will back Israel's advance with our allies, Iran, Syria, Hezbolla, Alqueida, Lybia, UAE (maybe) and any other terrorist nation will move on Israel drawing a major response from the Western powers... Sadly this entire situation will only take maybe 2 weeks to play out (if Israel holds their current rate of advance) and we could see a major conflict breakout... and with terrorists involved we could see this go nuclear.

Nick Grana

July 18th, 2006, 04:14 PM

Israeli officials said their military offensive in Lebanon could last several more weeks and possibly involve large numbers of ground forces — casting doubt on the effectiveness of growing diplomatic efforts to broker a cease-fire.

Iraq — A homicide car bomber detonated explosives in a crowd of laborers gathered across the street from a major Shiite shrine in southern Iraq Tuesday, killing at least 53 people and wounding 105, officials and witnesses said. (No amount of forces can stop these nut cases.)

The aircraft carrier USS Enterprise arrived in South Korea Tuesday for a routine port call, officials said, amid heightened tensions in the region over North Korea's missile launches.

Hezbollah's leader declared Friday that his group is ready for "open war" with Israel, and the guerrilla group attacked an Israeli warship positioned off Beirut's coast as his words were being broadcast.

DUBLIN, Ireland — The government launched a campaign Monday to improve Ireland's gum-spotted sidewalks, telling people to put the sticky stuff in bins or face a $160 fine.
Ok, so I just threw that in for fun.

I agree: "It's going to get a lot worse." :sad:

sarahzetta

July 18th, 2006, 06:19 PM

I think i want to live in Ireland:happy:

Nick Grana

July 18th, 2006, 08:00 PM

I don't know. Gum chewers may unite and war against the government.
But then the people that step on gum may unite and then.....well, you know.:D

Snurfen

July 18th, 2006, 11:42 PM

I think i want to live in Ireland:happy:
If the Guiness don't get ya, the Magners will :afro:

Seriously, I thought the whole thing actually escalated when the forces went in to occupy tranches of the Gaza strip - little bit of "tit for tat" before that, granted.

I was stunned on my first visit to Israel when we were driving from Ben Gurion airport to Herzogalia, you could see the see on one side nad the Golan Heights (I think it was) on the other, the country is so narrow, you could lob artillery or rockets from any border and just about cover the majority of the built-up areas. It's no excuse, but you can understand why the Israeli's are so jumpy.