Time to have a seperate HiJackThis forum?

[Rainbow32]

Saw this thread.
http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124445
Now how hard would it be to have a seperate Internet Security forum so the thread Seth posted could have survived?
Have a seperate forum for posting of HiJackThis logs exclusively. Seen it on other forums.
I, as well had a post moved from Cyber Safety to Applications concerning a new free firewall I found and wanted feedback on it from anyone who had tried it.
Needless to say it was buried in no time at all by postings of other applications which had nothing to do with internet security.
BTW the firewall had a major flaw in that it would only work with 1 user if you had multiple accounts within XP. Found that out after installing it.
Would have been nice if I found out about this before wasting the time in getting it and configuring the thing.
Or giving a headsup to anyone who may have this firewall and was unaware that the only user that was protected was the one inwhich it was installed in.

[Pi rules]

Or, maybe have a subforum for discussion, while keeping the main one for logs (less confusion for users). I agree with this idea. :thumbsup:

[Seth_]

Excellent idea.

EDIT- Removed paragraph was addressed.

[dudeking]

OMG, and the post was closed!!!!

This happens WAY to much on this site.
I have to say, this community no longer seem a community, its no longer a forum....

Google 'define:forum' = a public meeting or assembly for open discussion

Does any one see that here????
Or is every one else see what I am seeing?
Ask a question, get an answer.
HAVE AN OPPINION, thread closed, PM of mod.

This forum is basted around 19th centenary class system:-


High class; Mod, Hijack Helper = Rule The “Forum”
Low class; Member = well.....

[renegade600]

OMG, and the post was closed!!!!

This happens WAY to much on this site.
I have to say, this community no longer seem a community, its no longer a forum....

Google 'define:forum' = a public meeting or assembly for open discussion

Does any one see that here????
Or is every one else see what I am seeing?
Ask a question, get an answer.
HAVE AN OPPINION, thread closed, PM of mod.

This forum is basted around 19th centenary class system:-


High class; Mod, Hijack Helper = Rule The “Forum”
Low class; Member = well.....

just look at the mod who closed it and it explains everything. :D

As far as a separate forum, I am for that but the admins really don't like creating new forums. Maybe because theres not enough mods to take care of it or because they feel there would not be enough business for it.

I am still waiting for the vista one since it was already promised by mishy (http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102979&highlight=vista) for when the public beta was released.

[dudeking]

Well I have been happly question asking about vista over at kickinhardware.net

The first time a vista forum was requested over there it was given with out question.
The joys of being in a community:D

[Rainbow32]

Please no mod or member bashing or flaming in this thread. The topic is the creation of a new forum or sub-forum, I like that idea even better.
Post only the pros or cons as you see it for this idea.:happy:

[renegade600]

Well I have been happly question asking about vista over at kickinhardware.net

The first time a vista forum was requested over there it was given with out question.
The joys of being in a community:D
I had to join another forum myself to share and to find vista info. I am about ready to move on from here to someplace that keeps up with the times.

[Seth_]

Please no mod or member bashing or flaming in this thread. The topic is the creation of a new forum or sub-forum, I like that idea even better.
Post only the pros or cons as you see it for this idea.:happy:

Ok.

Pro: It wouldn't interfere with the Cyber Safety forum.

Con: Futile Endevour. This forum has been in a downslide for a couple of years now, and it only seems to be getting worse.

[dammit]

Saw this thread.
http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124445
Now how hard would it be to have a seperate Internet Security forum so the thread Seth posted could have survived?
Have a seperate forum for posting of HiJackThis logs exclusively. Seen it on other forums.
I, as well had a post moved from Cyber Safety to Applications concerning a new free firewall I found and wanted feedback on it from anyone who had tried it.
Needless to say it was buried in no time at all by postings of other applications which had nothing to do with internet security.
BTW the firewall had a major flaw in that it would only work with 1 user if you had multiple accounts within XP. Found that out after installing it.
Would have been nice if I found out about this before wasting the time in getting it and configuring the thing.
Or giving a headsup to anyone who may have this firewall and was unaware that the only user that was protected was the one inwhich it was installed in.

Sounds like a good idea to me. It would give the great unwashed and plebs somewhere to go .. while leaving the main CS forum to the really important people. :rolleyes:

[Rainbow32]

renegade600 & dudeking,
Mishy has answered on the formation of a Vista forum. Let's wait to see if anything comes on the topic of this thread. :happy:

[bAdWaYz]

Please no mod or member bashing or flaming in this thread. The topic is the creation of a new forum or sub-forum, I like that idea even better.
Post only the pros or cons as you see it for this idea.


Thank you for that Rainbow the first thing said in this thread that makes sense. As for those of you that have nothing but negative things to say about CTH, why are you still here? If CTH is so horrid and things suck so much then why stick around. There are over a million different forums on the internet so there is bound to be at least one that doesn't suck as much as CTH. So why not make a new home elsewhere if CTH isn't making you happy. All the negative comments are just boring and useless. We get it already you don't like a mod or you don't like CTH or the way its run. Saying it once or even twice is plenty but to beat a dead horse well after its dead is just dumb.

[black mirror]

If you want change it will come ... eventually... Have you just tried asking nicely....it sometimes works ..D



Dear Mishy
On behalf of all the members who wish to discuss cybersafety issues without encroaching or bothering the hard working volunteers in CS,, please would it be possible to have a sub forum added with regard to the above
.......Please:D
BM

[dammit]

Thank you for that Rainbow the first thing said in this thread that makes sense. As for those of you that have nothing but negative things to say about CTH, why are you still here? If CTH is so horrid and things suck so much then why stick around. There are over a million different forums on the internet so there is bound to be at least one that doesn't suck as much as CTH. So why not make a new home elsewhere if CTH isn't making you happy. All the negative comments are just boring and useless. We get it already you don't like a mod or you don't like CTH or the way its run. Saying it once or even twice is plenty but to beat a dead horse well after its dead is just dumb.

Maybe we liked things the way they were, back in the day when this was a friendly place.. with freedom.
I still come here because I still like the place.. and has taught me a lot.
A lot of mod bashing has become very popular in recent times, I wonder why?
IMO after being here for four years or so.. and not mentioning any names.. bad decisions have been made and bad ideas have been implimented in the last couple of years.
At the end of the day they all have to be passed by MishY.
It is his site, just hope he is still in touch with the "commoners" feelings on these changes. From where I am standing... apparently not. :hmm:
Maybe the mighty money demon has taken over.. who knows. Hope not.

[dudeking]

I just realised that I'm making it worse.
Now, as shown by
Please no mod or member bashing or flaming in this thread. The topic is the creation of a new forum or sub-forum, I like that idea even better.
Post only the pros or cons as you see it for this idea.

There seems to be no thread in OD or C&S that doesn’t end with an argument.

I agree that we need separate cyber safety and hijackthis forums.
I'm not going to start any more disagreements.

I am here to have fun and help people...This is what I will do.

[Miz]

Thank you for that Rainbow the first thing said in this thread that makes sense. As for those of you that have nothing but negative things to say about CTH, why are you still here? If CTH is so horrid and things suck so much then why stick around. There are over a million different forums on the internet so there is bound to be at least one that doesn't suck as much as CTH. So why not make a new home elsewhere if CTH isn't making you happy. All the negative comments are just boring and useless. We get it already you don't like a mod or you don't like CTH or the way its run. Saying it once or even twice is plenty but to beat a dead horse well after its dead is just dumb.

I've wondered the same thing myself. :confused:

[Rainbow32]

I've wondered the same thing myself.
So does this mean this thread is done with no feedback from CTH about whether this idea of having a seperate forum for Internet Security issues without the HJT logs may or may not happen?

[bAdWaYz]

Rest assured it has been taken to the staff and is being thought over. As soon as everyone comes to agreement I'm sure you will be notified. The suggestion of members are talked about by the staff everyday and we try to take everyones feelings, thoughts, and ideas into consideration when making forum changes. Everyones opinion matters and our members suggestions are important to us. We thank you for your continued interest in helping CTH grow as a forum and welcome further suggestions.

[Rainbow32]

Thanks for replying bAdWaYz. I just thought this may take the HJT forum off the front page around here and yet will give users a place to post matters related to internet security.
I remembered there was a time that new internet threats were posted in CS and would like to see this info again. Also postings when an update came out for Spybot S&D, AdAware, ZoneAlarm, etc. which is no longer permitted in CS or really shouldn't be, along with OP's posting HJT logs. Really need a new venue for this.:happy:

[oracle128]

On topic: Ideally, it would make more sense to have the CS section for the actual discussion of security and safety, and dedicate a sub-forum for the various malware-removal processes (note that it shouldn't be specified as a "HijackThis forum", as this implies HJT not as the means to an end that it is, but an end in itself (which is something both mods and HJT-bashers have agreed on). But, this ain't utopia, and we all know that'll never happen - CS will be flooded with HJT log posts, making endless work for mods.

Thus, I propose (out of utility, not logic) that CS discussion be the one that's moved to a sub-forum. This goes against the whole original intent of the CS section, but alas, is the only option I see that will serve the purpose and not be repeatedly tainted by those who don't read the category descriptions. It's also a matter of backwards-compatibility - previous posts suggesting to post a log in CS would still make sense then.

Slightly Off-topic: I don't condone Mod-bashing, but I really don't like the way this activity is being handled. Suggesting one should move to another forum if they don't like the way things are going here is irresponsible, and it suggests you have no pride in CTH. If your country isn't being run how you want, do you just move to another one? NO! You damn well do something about it, and that's what these people are doing, yet they are essentially being told to go fornicate with themselves.

I suggest you listen to these members (some of them long-standing and respected members), respond peacefully, and act appropriately. Just like it is the responsibility of a government to represent the ideals of the people, it is the responsibility of the Moderators to represent the ideals of the forum, not to rule it with an iron fist like some police-state.

[Seth_]

On topic: Ideally, it would make more sense to have the CS section for the actual discussion of security and safety, and dedicate a sub-forum for the various malware-removal processes (note that it shouldn't be specified as a "HijackThis forum", as this implies HJT not as the means to an end that it is, but an end in itself (which is something both mods and HJT-bashers have agreed on). But, this ain't utopia, and we all know that'll never happen - CS will be flooded with HJT log posts, making endless work for mods.

Thus, I propose (out of utility, not logic) that CS discussion be the one that's moved to a sub-forum. This goes against the whole original intent of the CS section, but alas, is the only option I see that will serve the purpose and not be repeatedly tainted by those who don't read the category descriptions. It's also a matter of backwards-compatibility - previous posts suggesting to post a log in CS would still make sense then.

I assume the main problem that the mods would have with a "Malware Discussion Forum", is that techs will post removal techniques that are different than the techniques employed by Cyber Safety. As such, this may confuse a lot of posters looking for malware removal help.

Slightly Off-topic: I don't condone Mod-bashing, but I really don't like the way this activity is being handled. Suggesting one should move to another forum if they don't like the way things are going here is irresponsible, and it suggests you have no pride in CTH. If your country isn't being run how you want, do you just move to another one? NO! You damn well do something about it, and that's what these people are doing, yet they are essentially being told to go fornicate with themselves.

I suggest you listen to these members (some of them long-standing and respected members), respond peacefully, and act appropriately. Just like it is the responsibility of a government to represent the ideals of the people, it is the responsibility of the Moderators to represent the ideals of the forum, not to rule it with an iron fist like some police-state.

Well said.

To add to it, I've been a respected member in the XP forum for the last two years. As such, if I feel an injustice was done to me (as well as other members) by a mod(s), then I'm certainly going to pursue it.

I've reposted my Malware Removal Comparison post in the Applications forum. I didn't include the paragraph which explained the programs I decided to use for the actual malware removal. The paragraph also stated that I ran the System File Checker as well as a Scandisk, just in case the removal process caused any file corruption.

[Rainbow32]

Suggesting one should move to another forum if they don't like the way things are going here is irresponsible, and it suggests you have no pride in CTH. If your country isn't being run how you want, do you just move to another one? NO! You damn well do something about it
Dang, I kept coming back for the free peanuts and the babes.......
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h127/Rainbow1953/otherflash_alt.jpg

[Miz]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with pursuing the matter when you think you're the victim of injustice. When you think you're the victim of injustice perpetrated by an individual, then confront that individual, explain your position and request an explanation. It is your right not to like that explanation but the fact of the matter is that the incident is over. Taking it to public attacks will never change the past events and can only serve to escalate things into a bigger conflict.

I can't think of anybody who won't get their hackles up when attacked publically, especially when attacked publically and repeatedly. I don't understand why moderators aren't given the right to have a normal human reaction when publically and repeatedly attacked.

[black mirror]

I don't understand why moderators aren't given the right to have a normal human reaction when publically and repeatedly attacked.

I thought it because underneath Miz you are not really human.;) .T1000 's or was i thinking of the Terminator.. and not the Moderator......:D
Boy do i need some sleep.....:hmm:
keep up the good work.. perhaps the reason you are such a good Mod Miz..is because you are a woman....( fingers crossed here Miz ):D

Runs and hides in case i have got in wrong:dizzy:

[Miz]

Why,yes, yes I am a woman, BM. "Miz" is the way "Mrs" and "Miss" are pronounced where I'm from (which is not where I am now, btw).

That's not to say, though, that I haven't gotten quite a few, "Hey, thanks, dude!" replies and even the oocasional "Thanks, man!" ;)

[black mirror]

Why,yes, yes I am a woman, BM. "Miz" is the way "Mrs" and "Miss" are pronounced where I'm from (which is not where I am now, btw).

That's not to say, though, that I haven't gotten quite a few, "Hey, thanks, dude!" replies and even the oocasional "Thanks, man!" ;)


Call it female intuition Miz;) .. i have never known you to answer a post rudely or lose your temper or be abrupt......therefore it stood to reason you were of the fairer sex... after all we are from Venus.... etc:D
( wait for male retort ):D

[dammit]

I think you ladies are correct. Better attitude. ;)

[dudeking]

Call it female intuition Miz;) .. i have never known you to answer a post rudely or lose your temper or be abrupt......therefore it stood to reason you were of the fairer sex... after all we are from Venus.... etc:D
( wait for male retort ):D
http://www.toonart.co.uk/assets/clipart/main%20clipart/alien-1.gif

Were comming for you BM:rotflmao:

[black mirror]

Is that supposed to scare us... i see more scary sights first thing in the morning when i am putting on my make up:D

[dudeking]

lol its just my way of saying I agree :D

[black mirror]

lol its just my way of saying I agree :D

Thats very wise young Eddie...:D

[bAdWaYz]

Slightly Off-topic: I don't condone Mod-bashing, but I really don't like the way this activity is being handled. Suggesting one should move to another forum if they don't like the way things are going here is irresponsible, and it suggests you have no pride in CTH. If your country isn't being run how you want, do you just move to another one? NO! You damn well do something about it, and that's what these people are doing, yet they are essentially being told to go fornicate with themselves.

I suggest you listen to these members (some of them long-standing and respected members), respond peacefully, and act appropriately. Just like it is the responsibility of a government to represent the ideals of the people, it is the responsibility of the Moderators to represent the ideals of the forum, not to rule it with an iron fist like some police-state.


I agree with the above to a point. If one were to make a comment or suggestion once or even twice thats awesome. What I'm talking about is after the suggestion or comment has been made. If a person has something to say then by all means say it loud and proud, but after the third time or so it just gets to be overkill. Then that tends to lead to mod bashing and forum bashing. If a person makes a comment or suggestion and doesn't get the response they want at that point they have a choice to leave or to stay. If I felt so strongly about something but CTH wouldn't conform to my needs then I would have to ask myself if I personally wanted to be here or not. I can already tell you that more than once I have made comments or asked for things here and the answer I got was "no" or "we don't all think that is the best way to go". At that point I could have either turned in my badge and left or throw a fit in public and bash those that didn't;t see things my way. My point here is no one always gets what they want. Not me not Mishy not Zip no one. Its how you deal with not getting your way that says who you are as a person.



BTW the topic that was started in this thread is still being talked about by the staff. We are trying to come up with something that will make all parties happy and believe me thats no easy task so plz hang in there folks.

[dammit]

I think you ladies are correct. Better attitude. ;)

So

[dammit]

I think you ladies are correct. Better attitude. ;)

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[black mirror]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


rolling those eyes Dammit.....again:D

[dammit]

Hmmm I guess you don't get my point. To my mind the female of the species is far more fair minded and less likely to blow a fuse. (exceptions have happened) :hmm:
Females to me are the superior race (am I crawling... or do I mean it?)
Miz as you pointed out is a fine example.
:happy:

[black mirror]

Where do i send the big bar of choccy from my stash Damit ???

[oracle128]

I assume the main problem that the mods would have with a "Malware Discussion Forum", is that techs will post removal techniques that are different than the techniques employed by Cyber Safety. As such, this may confuse a lot of posters looking for malware removal help.Yeah that's a good point, but I'm going to go ahead and say that those who are most likely to be displaced by the potential discussion of malware and its removal aren't going to be stumbling into the technical discussion threads, especially so if it is its own sub-forum.

I agree with the above to a point. If one were to make a comment or suggestion once or even twice thats awesome. What I'm talking about is after the suggestion or comment has been made. If a person has something to say then by all means say it loud and proud, but after the third time or so it just gets to be overkill. Then that tends to lead to mod bashing and forum bashing. If a person makes a comment or suggestion and doesn't get the response they want at that point they have a choice to leave or to stay. If I felt so strongly about something but CTH wouldn't conform to my needs then I would have to ask myself if I personally wanted to be here or not. I can already tell you that more than once I have made comments or asked for things here and the answer I got was "no" or "we don't all think that is the best way to go". At that point I could have either turned in my badge and left or throw a fit in public and bash those that didn't;t see things my way. My point here is no one always gets what they want. Not me not Mishy not Zip no one. Its how you deal with not getting your way that says who you are as a person.That degree of retalliation is definitely the part of mod-bashing I don't condone. My advice to those who have problems: if the problem is in private, keep it private. If it's a blatantly public issue, it can be resolved as such if you wish, especially if it involves multiple users. And if you need to discuss an issue, discuss it, or keep it to a mild rant; don't go making accusations, flamebaiting, or making crude and obvious "hidden" agendas/sarcasm, and don't repeatedly bring it up. Keep it civilized, and you should get a civilized response (if not, you need to contact Mishy), which leads to actually getting problems solved rather than increasing them and/or creating new ones.

With that said though, albeit Mods being only human, I do believe one of the qualities you were chosen for is the ability to take abuse and still keep your cool. No, you don't deserve to be abused, but when you are it doesn't give you the right to fight fire with fire. Your duty is to act as representatives of Mishy, who is a peaceful and loving Admin, so please do act like it when the occasion arises.

[z1p]

... that those who are most likely to be displaced by the potential discussion of malware and its removal aren't going to be stumbling into the technical discussion threads, especially so if it is its own sub-forum. I'm feeling a bit dense today. I'm not sure I follow what was trying to be said here. I think you might be trying to say something "... those who are most likely to be confused by the discussion of malware ...", but I guess you may have meant something different by 'displaced'. Maybe I'm just struggling with the language differences.

[bAdWaYz]

Well its been a day or so and the topic raised in this thread has been talked over by the staff as well as the board owner. While we would love to accommodate every members request sometimes this just isn't practical. I must report that at this time there will be no sub-forum created for the sole reason of discussing spy-ware/mail-ware/virus/firewalls or security related topics. One reason is that it could lead to even more confusion in CS than is already there. Another is because some feel that the existing forum lends itself to those topics as is. While yet others see it as a "if its not broke don't fix it" type situation. However this is not to say that the idea itself is dead or will never happen, its just been agreed upon that it won't happen right now. I know this won't make everyone happy but the hope is the majority will be happy and continue to post and be a part of CTH. I would like to take the time to thank Rainbow32 for the suggestion and the polite manner in which it was brought up. Thank you also to those who contributed to the suggestion and the staff for taking the time with it as we all know everyone is very busy. It is my sincere hope that everyone gains from CTH and it continues to grow as we strive to be the best tech help site on the net. Again thank you all and have a great day.

[oracle128]

I'm feeling a bit dense today. I'm not sure I follow what was trying to be said here. I think you might be trying to say something "... those who are most likely to be confused by the discussion of malware ...", but I guess you may have meant something different by 'displaced'. Maybe I'm just struggling with the language differences.Kind of - what I meant was, those that would have buggered up their systems by following advice not meant for their specific situation. Substitute in "Inconvenienced" and you'll get it.

[Pi rules]

I have a few questions for clarification on the CS forum:
What exactly can be posted in Cyber Safety (only requests for malware removal or general malware questions too)?
Can I ask which online scanner, security suite, etc. they feel is best, or should that go in applications?
Are only Hijack Helpers/advisors/mods allowed to answer this type of question, or can anyone?

[bAdWaYz]

I will fetch the answer to this question for you Pi. As I don't work in CS I don't want to give out wrong info but I will find out from the folks that run that show.

[MishY]

Cyber Safety is not just a malware forum. Cyber Safety is:

Discussion about Trojans, viruses, hoaxes, firewalls, spyware, and general Security issues. If you suspect your PC is infected with a virus, trojan or spyware app please include any supporting documentation or logs.

But with regards to the Malware removal vs Malware questions question - one of the CS team will be able to help with that.

[Pi rules]

Thanks! :wave:

I was going to PM Tom or Acrobaze and ask, but I didn't know if anyone else would ask the same questions, so a public reply may lower the number of PMs they get.

[dudeking]

Discussion

But we are not allowed to Discuss, are we?
It's only mods and helpers alowed to repply.

Or is it Discussion with the helpers about what to do?

[Tom]

Before I answer that one Eddie, I gotta give thanks to Badwayz for the excellent moderating he has provided on the subject, both here and with all the Moderating Team.

Anyone who looks through the New Topic requests in the CTH Cyber Safety forum will see that the overall majority are made by folks seeking malware related solutions. They could have seen the CyberTechHelp description/link on sites like Merijn's (http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/forums.html) (the maker of HijackThis), and more so lately we are meeting many who mention being given the link by someone already helped at CTH. Given that, I believe they post their issues with the expectation of receiving solutions to their issues from someone like the group listed Here - CTH members who have put in the extra time and effort to acquire a skill level determined by the CTH Admin and Moderators as essential to doing malware removal. The folks expect it, CTH makes sure they get it. A few years back my Mom got a successful solution here, and right now another CTH Member's Aunt is getting a walk-through malware removal as well.

Cyber Safety participation other than that is all covered in what Mishy reposted here that is already the CTH Cyber Safety forum description.

"Discussion about Trojans, viruses, hoaxes, firewalls, spyware, and general Security issues."

If Members do that and stay focused on the principles I just mentioned, we will be doing what we all come here to do. Someone sees a new request but feels it is not a malware related issue? Allow a Helper or Moderator to review the issue first. Assuring issues are not infection related removes the factor of intentional damage from the scenario. That helps.

Pi did mention requesting feedback about various security software. If you look through the Cyber Safety threads, you will see most every type of protective software loaded on an infected system. It's one reason why AnnMarie took the time to write this (http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64492) excellent Sticky on prevention. Other Security software? Depends on the application. If it relates to networking, maybe think about posting it in Networking. But no outright limitations on that. Opinion marathons like the well-worn "Norton bashing" posts aren't very welcome in any of our forums, and CTH has an Open Discussion forum if issues lean towards opinion rather than information sharing. But the Cyber Safety basics are the same - someone requests help with malware, someone listed Here (http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123226) should respond first. If you do have a question, I'm fine with getting a PM on it. Might be a tad slow in getting back to you, but I'll do what I can.

[dudeking]

Thanks Tom,
Yes CTH's malware removal team is well known, I have recommended you to many people.
I even have a link on my site telling people where to go for help.

I understand about why the forum is set up like this, and I think its great, People with zero knowledge of computers and get help that they understand.

The think I don't fully understand is the description of the forum, it should be something like, 'Help with detecting and removing viruses etc. of your computer by trained professionals.' Something more along those lines, Things get complicated when more than one person is replying to posts, but this needs to be explained where it can be easily seen for new CTH member and feel safe with knowing that the people that are helping them know what they are doing.

[Porthos]

Someone sees a new request but feels it is not a malware related issue? Allow a Helper or Moderator to review the issue first. Assuring issues are not infection related removes the factor of intentional damage from the scenario. That helps.

What is going on here is that people are having trouble with the fact that if you are not a mod or helper help can not be givin to anyone who has a virus/spy/adware/malware problem.

We join forums like this for 2 reasons.
1- We have a problem, or
2- We enjoy "helping" others and enjoy the sense of "community".

Every one here is dancing around the fact that they "feel" discriminated aganst because they are not allowed to help. Trying to negotaite the boundrys for which they can post and help and discuss.

The bottom line is what is so hard for everyone to swallow. Most posters in CS are looking for help to fix there malware issue. They know they have a problem and just dont know how to fix it.

If there is any "hint " or signs of malware of any kind, or you feel the poster should run a "scan" of any kind then dont post anything in the thread and let the "Trained" helpers take care of it tottally.

That being said, I dont like not being able to help as well I understand the problems and diffucultys trying to help people remotely.

[Nick Grana]

I don't like the way President Bush handles some things in this country.
Should I leave? He!! no. Can I complain? He!! yes. Will President Bush come back at me personally for disagreeing? I think not. Nor would his staff.
If this does not portray an accurate account of CTH as an analogy, then I guess I'm not smart enough to get my point across. Makes sense to me.:happy:

I thought a separate HJT sub-section was a good idea. But I go along with the answer.

[degsy]

That makes no sense at all.

CTH is a free site. You don't have any right to be here, but we are happy to let you be a member.

What if an illegal immigrant doesn't like the way President Bush handles some things in the US.
Should the immigrant leave? Can the immigrant complain ???
How does the immigrant have the right to complain without paying any taxes or voting?


CTH does have a subscriber/donation option. This is purely to keep the board running. It costs money to rent a dedicated server and have a decent net connection for it.
All the subscriber costs go towards that.

Nobody here really has the right to tell MishY what to do! Intelligent suggestions would be considered though.

[dudeking]

I agree with the action being taken, but what you said suggests that if you subscribe you have the right to complain, but if you don't you have to be quiet.

At the end of the day its mishY's forum, he can do what he likes with it, he owns the domain, so in theory he could turn CTH into a pizza delivery site.
But he won't do that, he is producing a successful forum, there people with any level of computer knowledge can come get help, help and learn.

He has decided that a malware discussion forum should not be included on his site, and this is his call. We can complain, but it won't make much difference.
What we can do though is start threads in OD talking about security issues and they won't be removed as we are allowed to talk about anything. If this goes on like that they will be forced to create some where to keep all there post's, and there it is, your security discussion forum.

[Nick Grana]

You don't have any right to be here....
Oh, is that how it is? Pardon me all to heck.
Here I was thinking I was a paid subscriber and if I followed all the rules that I had every right to be here. Stupid me.:dizzy:

[Rainbow32]

Can we close this thread now? MishY has given his answer on this thread. All discussions hence are more of a OD thing now.:happy:
Maybe a new icon is needed for OD postings.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h127/Rainbow1953/soapbox.gif

[Nick Grana]

What if an illegal immigrant.....
And pray tell how that even entered my post? And who is telling Mishy what to do? If you speak for Mishy and you want me to go, I'll go.:cool:
I have no probs with Mishy or CTH or how things are run. Why do some mods have to have threatening comebacks to all things posed?:confused:

[MishY]

This thread is serving no constructive purpose. Closed.