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gimpy530
August 28th, 2006, 11:13 AM
What about maybe combining the 95 and 98 forums to a 9x one? Maybe throw ME in there too, maybe not (who cares it's only ME ;) )......and although it does not need to be done now, sometime in the near future as more and more people even beta test Vista a forum will need to be added for that, not just yet tho since not alot of people use Vista
degsy
August 28th, 2006, 01:53 PM
not just yet tho since not alot of people use Vista
You've just answered your own question. The forums will be updated when neccessary :)
Archangel122184
August 28th, 2006, 02:10 PM
I DO!

With all the lost features... its just XP with a new face... yes the API is different and you can't access the hardware directly anymore... but its just XP with a new face... I'm very disappointed.
gimpy530
August 28th, 2006, 08:43 PM
Vista kind of sucks.....we all know
oracle128
August 29th, 2006, 11:43 AM
Windows 95, 98 and ME are distinct enough to warrant keeping their own sections. There really would be no benefit to combining them.

And Vista is still in beta. Enough said.
G_Dem
August 29th, 2006, 11:52 AM
Exactly why would you ever want a forum for anything in beta? You'll end up getting questions like why does my tv card not work? The answer will 99% of the time be because they haven't released a driver for it yet.
Archangel122184
August 29th, 2006, 03:30 PM
lol... just put a FAQ at the top of the forum with one question....


Q: Why doesn't [insert anything here] work?
A: Its beta you nimrod!

Or something to that effect... just a thought.
Snurfen
September 1st, 2006, 07:39 PM
lol... just put a FAQ at the top of the forum with one question....


Q: Why doesn't [insert anything here] work?
A: Its beta you nimrod!

Or something to that effect... just a thought.

:rotflmao: a belter Archangel :thumbsup:
Rainbow32
September 2nd, 2006, 02:10 AM
What's Vista:confused:
Pi rules
September 2nd, 2006, 03:57 AM
While Vista is a beta, it is quite popular, although I haven't seen nearly as many posts as I thought I would about it.

PS: VISTA is a telescope in Chile. (see here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VISTA_%28telescope%29)) ;)
smurfy
September 2nd, 2006, 04:13 AM
lol... just put a FAQ at the top of the forum with one question....


Q: Why doesn't [insert anything here] work?
A: Its beta you nimrod!

Or something to that effect... just a thought.
Hmmm
Perhaps that could be added to ALL the MS O/S forums...

Q: Why doesn't [insert anything here] work?
A: Its Microsoft you nimrod!
:rotflmao:

But seriously folks...
This exact suggestion was actually recently raised (a week or so before this topic was posted) and is currently under consideration. Particularly the combination of the 95/98/ME forums.
Like others though, I'm not convinced a Support forum for Vista is appropriate until it is out of Beta and publicly available.
renegade600
September 2nd, 2006, 04:48 AM
While Vista is a beta, it is quite popular, although I haven't seen nearly as many posts as I thought I would about it.

PS: VISTA is a telescope in Chile. (see here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VISTA_%28telescope%29)) ;)

thats only because theres no place for it here. A few others already added a vista one and they stay pretty busy.
oracle128
September 2nd, 2006, 08:36 AM
thats only because theres no place for it here. A few others already added a vista one and they stay pretty busy.And how many of those do you expect are legal users? MSDN subscribers (of which I'm certain we have little to none here) and the lucky few thousand that managed to get the "Customer Preview" are the only potential audience for a Vista forum. You open a Vista forum pre-retail, you're just asking for the 99% of posts which will be "I just downloaded Vista on BitTorrent and now I want free support for it".
renegade600
September 2nd, 2006, 08:48 AM
And how many of those do you expect are legal users? MSDN subscribers (of which I'm certain we have little to none here) and the lucky few thousand that managed to get the "Customer Preview" are the only potential audience for a Vista forum. You open a Vista forum pre-retail, you're just asking for the 99% of posts which will be "I just downloaded Vista on BitTorrent and now I want free support for it".

Your reasoning is baseless. I would say most are legal users. You say only a lucky few thousand but there was a lucky few hundred thousand possibly millions. But really so what, how much free support do we give here to those who have pirated copies of xp, win98, office and others.

IMO, a promise was broken here when Mishy said he would setup a Vista Forum here when there was a public release (http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102979&highlight=vista). The public released has come and gone and still no forum.
gimpy530
September 2nd, 2006, 09:13 AM
I have DOS, Windows 1, 2, 3.1, NT (server and workstation), 95, 98se, me, 2000, XP (home, pro, and x64), server 2003, Vista beta2

and Vista is the only one of those that is legal for this computer

Just because we didn;t pay for the OS doesn;t mean we don't come here for help
Snurfen
September 2nd, 2006, 01:36 PM
Eh, little or no MSDN subscribers? Surely not, this is a tech forum after all!

Hands up all those who are MSDN (or variants thereof) subscribers?

ME ME ME.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/snurfen/arthurewing.bmp
zipulrich
September 2nd, 2006, 01:43 PM
MSDN subscribers (of which I'm certain we have little to none here)

Don't be so certain. Makes you look foolish :)
I've been an MSDN subscriber for years. There are lots of others here (both moderators & members) that are MSDN subscribers. Ask before you assume (I learned that lesson years ago :rotflmao: ).
black mirror
September 2nd, 2006, 01:46 PM
Pardon me for being ignorant.. What is a MSDN subby:D
Snurfen
September 2nd, 2006, 02:02 PM
Microsoft developer network - amongst many other benefits you get regular CD updates of all applicable products for your subscription.

Have a look here (http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx)
black mirror
September 2nd, 2006, 02:07 PM
Microsoft developer network - amongst many other benefits you get regular CD updates of all applicable products for your subscription.

Have a look here (http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx)

A bit technical for a mere woman:rotflmao:
Snurfen
September 2nd, 2006, 02:10 PM
Indeed, you know what Mr Cholmondley-Warner said in those Public Information Films, don't you BM.
black mirror
September 2nd, 2006, 02:16 PM
Indeed, you know what Mr Cholmondley-Warner said in those Public Information Films, don't you BM.

oh yes in fact i think that sketch needs a post of its own
zipulrich
September 2nd, 2006, 03:28 PM
So who's calling you a mere woman, BM? ;)
oracle128
September 2nd, 2006, 03:48 PM
The point of being an MSDN member is you don't NEED support forums - that's why it's a beta test, not a "freebie version because your company gives Microsoft loads of money". The idea is, you're meant to be versed enough in software development to be able to identify, understand, and report problems with the software to the developers, who will then attempt to fix them - not to discuss them on a forum where they'll never be seen by those who need to know about it. And the public version? A Customer Preview. It's a preview of the new OS for those of us who don't get MSDN subscriptions paid for us (or have enough money to buy one ourselves), not a stable release of it to be used casually. These are the points I was trying to convey.

IMO, a promise was broken here when Mishy said he would setup a Vista Forum here when there was a public release. The public released has come and gone and still no forum.I beg to differ. MSDN subscribers aren't "the public", and a preview version is not "a release".
renegade600
September 2nd, 2006, 03:59 PM
The point of being an MSDN member is you don't NEED support forums - that's why it's a beta test, not a "freebie version because your company gives Microsoft loads of money". The idea is, you're meant to be versed enough in software development to be able to identify, understand, and report problems with the software to the developers, who will then attempt to fix them - not to discuss them on a forum where they'll never be seen by those who need to know about it. And the public version? A Customer Preview. It's a preview of the new OS for those of us who don't get MSDN subscriptions paid for us (or have enough money to buy one ourselves), not a stable release of it to be used casually. These are the points I was trying to convey.

I beg to differ. MSDN subscribers aren't "the public", and a preview version is not "a release".

and I beg to differ, the customer previews program was a public released.
AnnMarie
September 3rd, 2006, 02:41 AM
A bit technical for a mere woman

Ermm, I'm a MSDN subscriber and have been for a few years too. :D
sho-dan
September 3rd, 2006, 03:37 AM
A bit technical for a mere woman
Ermm, I'm a MSDN subscriber and have been for a few years too.
Tell it like is, AnnMarie :D http://www.powwows.com/gathering/images/smilies/cheer.gif
Snurfen
September 3rd, 2006, 10:11 AM
Ora, once again you've made a statement, had it shot down, then changed your argument.
Give us your shovel mate, you are making yourself look daft ;)
oracle128
September 4th, 2006, 02:16 AM
I haven't changed the argument. The three main points are:
1) It's beta. Of course it's going to have problems. During development, there's going to be thousands of different versions. There's really no point to discussing an issue with 'Vista 5197' if 'Vista 5198' is released a day later. [first post]
2) There aren't enough people with Vista to dedicate a forum to it (5-odd MSDN subscribers here and a limited random selection of previewers aren't exactly a great number of potential users). These are the only legal users. The majority of posts would be illegal users. Thus, my reasoning is, opening a Vista forum now would be encouraging assisting illegal users of it. I still maintain this argument. Sure, there can and would be illegal users of the other Windows' - but frankly, I doubt MS is concerned about pirated copies of 95/98/ME/NT/2000 (their age, and inherent insecurity and instability alone is enough punishment), and XP has WGA for that purpose. If this were an MSDN-specific forum (much like the MSDN Forums (http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/default.aspx?siteid=1)) or a site with an unusually large collection of MSDN members, then sure, add the Vista forum and discuss the quirks that just happened to be in that hour's version of it. But it's not. [second post]
3) The two possible types of legal users have no use for discussion on the OS. As mentioned, MSDN users would be defeating the purpose of the beta test if they were to discuss their Vista problems here (and possibly breaching an NDA, though I don't have access to MSDN beta EULAs). If the Windows Live Mail Beta EULA is anything to go by, you're probably breaching it simply by NOT reporting your findings to MS.
Secondly, the previewers have a Preview version to sample the new interface, not a stable release designed to serve any kind of useful purpose (hence the lack of drivers). [third post]

So, while you may not agree with the second argument (which, thus far, you've failed to actually "shoot down"), surely if you're an MSDN member you'd have to agree with the other two arguments?