Burning a DVD ISO in Nero is a nightmare!

[Delphi123]

Dear friends:

I'd like to apologize for crossing into forbidden territory and ask that the manager remove this threat altogether.

Thank you.



Benjamin

[Porthos]

The first I have to ask is you DVD burner a dual layer burner? Could you link us to the make and model?
From the Title in the screenshot of what you are burning I dont know if were in a grey area or a red area according to fourm rules.

[Delphi123]

Dear friends:

Thank you.

[oracle128]

Have you bought dual/double layer DVD discs? What program did you use to rip the ISOs?

[Delphi123]

Dear friends:

Thank you.

Benjamin

[leroys1000]

If you are using the wizard,close it.
You should be left with a blank window with the menu at the top.
Look through the menu's.
There is an option there that says burn image.
Use it,as the wizard seems to have problems with large files.

[Delphi123]

Dear friends:

Thank you.

Benjamin

[leroys1000]

Sorry,didn't know you were trying to back up a movie.
Your links don't work.

[PurestLight]

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[leroys1000]

Sorry,I'm being dense today.

[PurestLight]

As there is no encryption involved, maybe you could try using DVD SHRINK (http://www.cybertechhelp.com/getfile.php?id=96). You already have Nero (and DVDDecrypter) for burning the disc, so it should work :)

[Billy_Black]

Your best bet for burning DL is Similar to the other one but many new tweaks for DL burning.

[oracle128]

No version of DVD Decrypter is legal. If you used that, you've decrypted the discs. If you're trying to burn an unencrypted dual layer disc image, you don't need DVD Shrink. Really, you only needed to use Nero to image and burn the disc; that is, if you were acting legally. Why didn't you just do it that way?

[Delphi123]

Dear friends:

Thank you.

Benjamin

[Delphi123]

Dear friends:

Thank you.

Benjamin

[leroys1000]

If you want the full backup,you should be able to burn it
as a mpeg2 or DVD movie file in nero.
It is not going to be an ISO image.

[oracle128]

It's sad to reflect that in France you are allowed to make one personal copy of your movie collection but not here. In this sense, this whole business is more in the grey than in the red area. But I understand that we must abide by the law, however unjust. We can't all do as we please.In most countries, you're permitted to make a backup copy for personal use. That's not the problem though -you're circumventing copy protection to do so (the sole function of DVD Decrypter, and a major function of DVDShrink) which is a breach of the European Union Copyright Directive.

[Porthos]

The problem is not WHERE you are but this fourm is a US fourm and we have rules about helping members break copyrights.

Nothing against you or what you want to do.

[oracle128]

Actually it's a UK forum, but the EUCD applies just as much as the DMCA.

[Billy_Black]

In most countries, you're permitted to make a backup copy for personal use. That's not the problem though -you're circumventing copy protection to do so (the sole function of DVD Decrypter, and a major function of DVDShrink) which is a breach of the European Union Copyright Directive.
Circumventing copy protection is not the sole function of DVDDecrypter. That's only one small part of it. It's abilty to demux, stream process, check for firmware updates, set booktype, create and burn ISO's, burn any type image to DVD or CD, change volume labels on ISO's, convert PCM to WAV, erase RW's, identify disc manufacturers, the list goes on and on, makes it a must have tool for vid work. If you have any personal DVD's that you've authored/created that are scratched and won't play, DVDDecypter is worth a shot. Trying to copy a bad disc with Windows can lead to your drive ending up in PIO mode. DVDDecrypter avoids this, while trying to read a bad section it will retry as many times as you want (default is set to 20 retries, a higher amount can be set). I have saved many folks personal DVD's (weddings, parties, etc.) with this great piece of free software.

And to those here who choose to also slam DVDShrink, another great and very useful program, I am confused as to why this site would host this notorious program.

http://www.cybertechhelp.com/download/file/dvd-shrink

[oracle128]

demuxDeMux - to separate audio and video streams from the original, as in for removing foreign audio from a commercial disc. Does not constitute fair use.
stream processMux, combine the channels together again (eg. after DeMuxing to remove unwanted streams). For recompiling DeMuxed discs.
check for firmware updatesSuch as those easily available on the drive manufacturer's site. Firmware doesn't need to be updated unless the drive fails or extra features are needed, in which case DVDDecrypter won't help. Or, changing firmware to alter the region change count, remove the count, etc.
set booktypeFor making a disc appear as if it's of another type eg. making a pirate DVD R/RW appear as a legit DVD ROM, otherwise unrequired.
create and burn ISO's, burn any type image to DVD or CD, change volume labels on ISO'sSeems a bit bloated if this is only what you want to do. Especially since poster has stated they already have Nero installed. Otherwise, IMGBurn, DeepBurner, CDBurnerXP Pro work just as well, without the illegal activity an unrequired features.
convert PCM to WAVNot sure what you mean by this, WAV is PCM.
erase RW'sEven Windows XP can do this without extra software.
identify disc manufacturersThis is a "must have" why???
Trying to copy a bad disc with Windows can lead to your drive ending up in PIO mode.My guess is, after 6 fails of reading the data (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/817472), DMA won't work, and PIO should be used as a failsafe (logical software design in Windows? Who'da thunk it!). Then if it still can't be read by Windows, real recovery software should be use. Unless of course, the errors were purposely built into the disc - which coincidentally happens to be one of the most common forms of copy protection, surprise surprise.

And to those here who choose to also slam DVDShrink, another great and very useful program, I am confused as to why this site would host this notorious program.Yes, that really should be removed, seeing as DVD Shrink is illegal software (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Shrink#Legal_status). It was uploaded before DVD Shrink was deemed so.

Delphi123, I applaud you for taking this so well and for backing out. Rest assured no one on this site will condemn you for asking the question you did. It's reasonable to assume that since your country has provisions for allowing personal backup copies, that one can do so. Unfortunately, due to the DMCA (and EUCD), that's not always the case, and not everyone knows about it; and as unfair as it is, those are the laws, and the site has to eliminate any liability it may have in providing help for illegal activities. There are many causes that attempt to aid the consumer with their digital rights, the EFF (http://www.eff.org/) is one such organisation.

[Billy_Black]

Can't you just admit you are wrong? Because you fail to understand even the basics of burning and burners?

For those who might be interested it is very important to know who the actual manufacturer of the disc is. Because Fuji, Imation, Sony and Verbatim use many different disc manufacturers. Too many times folks have problems even though they thought they bought the same disc/Brand, when in fact they are using different discs. It's also a good idea to check the country of origin, Fuji's, Sony's etc. from Japan are different than those from Taiwan even though the packaging is identical.

Memorex (for one) tend to be CMC (their plants are in Taiwan). Although initial burns may work they usually become unplayable over time, they should be avoided. Many times folks have brought in now unplayable discs of important family events. By pounding away at them with DVDDecrypter I have been able to salvage many (without having to try to re-enable DMA due to XP's shortcomings). Some folks have no luck with burns at all, these I will copy with DVDDecrypter (ISO Read, ISO Write) then write them to +R's that have been booktyped to DVD-ROM (the most compatable burn available), many times they now have a disc that will play in their standalone. If one is passing out their wedding DVD to friends and family it makes sense (to most folks at least) to strive for the best compatability and longevity possible. That booktyping +R's to DVD-ROM is a pirates tool is too silly to even argue. For those who've spent much time, effort and money (software, authoring programs, capture devices) to create a video it is important to put the end result on the best media and to use a burner with fully updated firmware that can booktype/bitset +R's to DVD-ROM. As media changes write stategies are honed, hence firmware updates. DVDDecrypter will also quickly tell you what firmware version you have, easily, quickly, and efficently.

In closing Verbatim +R's with an MCC code booktyped to DVD-ROM, are your best bet, and are the only Taiwan discs worth using. For those who don't have a newer burner that can booktype Verbatim -R's (with the MCC code) are best. There are other quality discs available (made in Japan) but the Verbatims are easiest to find.

Not sure what you mean by this, WAV is PCM.
No it's not, a WAV file may contain PCM audio but in a RIFF bitstream format (wrapper). WAV files with their RIFF header are easily manipulated by various programs. None of these apps wants PCM.

Seems a bit bloated
Your suggestion will lead to bloat, Nero for one is very sensitive to having any other burning app installed, leading to frustation, errors and coasters. The beauty of both Decrypter and Shrink is the fact that they are small compact, bloat free programs that interfere with no other burning apps, the same cannot be said of your alternatives.

Good Bye.

[oracle128]

Why do you try so hard to justify illegal software? Oh sure, 99.99% of the features and use of these programs is blatantly illegal, but as long as there's that .01% of legal users, that makes it ok right!? Oh wait, no it doesn't, we have courts of law that say it doesn't.
For those who might be interested it is very important to know who the actual manufacturer of the disc is. Because Fuji, Imation, Sony and Verbatim use many different disc manufacturers. Too many times folks have problems even though they thought they bought the same disc/Brand, when in fact they are using different discs. It's also a good idea to check the country of origin, Fuji's, Sony's etc. from Japan are different than those from Taiwan even though the packaging is identical.Oh darn, I guess I better stop looking at the manufacturer ID printed on the disc, and turn on my PC, wait 2 minutes to get into Windows, load up DVDDecrypter, insert the DVD, let DVDDecrypter analyse the disc, have it tell me where the disc is from, close DVDDecrypter, eject the disc, turn off the PC. It's all about the simplicity right? It makes me wonder, if it matters so much whether your Sony blank discs were manufactured in Japan or Taiwan, and you're unable to read the disc ID or the packaging that states where the discs were manufactured, why you're using recordable discs anyway.
If one is passing out their wedding DVD to friends and family it makes sense (to most folks at least) to strive for the best compatability and longevity possible.Yes, absolutely, which is why you get them professionally pressed onto DVD-ROMs. But oh, I forgot, DVDDecrypter is magic and will make your R/RW discs physically last longer than the 15-20 years that they're designed for. Since you're the expert at burning here and I obviously know nothing, maybe you'd like to share with everyone else just how that process works?

While you're at it, can you also explain how changing the book type alters the physical disc structure so it provides more compatibility? I mean, I know there's a couple models of DVD players out there that will detect anything other than a DVD-ROM and refuse to play it; but for the thousands of models that simply don't have the correct laser setup to read cloudy ink vs physical imprints, how does changing the booktype help?
Your suggestion will lead to bloat, Nero for one is very sensitive to having any other burning app installed, leading to frustation, errors and coasters. The beauty of both Decrypter and Shrink is the fact that they are small compact, bloat free programs that interfere with no other burning apps, the same cannot be said of your alternatives.But unfortunately, you obviously fail to realise that the poster stated they have Nero already installed. I don't even know where you're getting this info from, I've had Nero installed with several other burners and they all work fine. Roxio is the software to avoid if you don't want your system bogged down, perhaps you're thinking of that? The only time Nero will fail to work is on copyrighted discs (or if your problems are more severe, such as bad drivers or hardware).

[Billy_Black]

I'm so tired of your legal interpretations. Neither Decrypter nor Shrink had been deemed illegal by any court of law. The fact that Decrypter's author was pressured into abandoning the program by Sony's high priced lawyers does not make it illegal. The only program deemed illegal to sell was 321 Studio's DVDXCOPY. And as I recall there was no mass notice that it be removed from any users system.

Both Decrypter and Shrink no longer can rip any of the latest DVD's anyway, and never once have I advocated using them in this fashion. It is you the dime store lawyer, international law expert who always chimes in with your cop wannabe interpretations.

Your knowledge of burning and your silly convoluted, expensive, alternative suggestions show you have absolutely no hand's on experience. Your statement that it doesn't matter what discs are used confirms your total ineptitude. No one of any experience trusts Nero's burning engine for any serious work, especially for DL burning. DVDDecrypter's burn engine is well respected and trusted and has always been preferred over all others for reasons beyond your obviously limited understanding.

[Porthos]

This thread should have been closed long ago.
The whole thing in a nutshell is NOT what software you have or use BUT what you use the software for.
Bottom line there is no use debateing.There other places to learn those programs.
Google is your friend...............

[oracle128]

I'm so tired of your legal interpretations. Neither Decrypter nor Shrink had been deemed illegal by any court of law. The fact that Decrypter's author was pressured into abandoning the program by Sony's high priced lawyers does not make it illegal. The only program deemed illegal to sell was 321 Studio's DVDXCOPY. And as I recall there was no mass notice that it be removed from any users system.

Both Decrypter and Shrink no longer can rip any of the latest DVD's anyway, and never once have I advocated using them in this fashion. It is you the dime store lawyer, international law expert who always chimes in with your cop wannabe interpretations.

Your knowledge of burning and your silly convoluted, expensive, alternative suggestions show you have absolutely no hand's on experience. Your statement that it doesn't matter what discs are used confirms your total ineptitude. No one of any experience trusts Nero's burning engine for any serious work, especially for DL burning. DVDDecrypter's burn engine is well respected and trusted and has always been preferred over all others for reasons beyond your obviously limited understanding.
You still haven't answered the questions. But while you're busy trying to find your answers, here's some more Qs:
How can Nero be expensive if the user already has it?
How can DVDShrink be of any help if the user is burning dual layer discs?
Technically speaking, what makes DVDDecrypter's burn engine any better than any other (IMGBurn, Nero, DeepBurner, CDBurnerXP Pro, etc - esp IMGBurn, since it has the same engine), disregarding any copyright circumvention advantages (I want real proof here, not made up rumours from DVD "backup" forums)?
Please enlighten us all Billy, as obviously my degree in Multimedia is no match for your doctorate in Burnology.

Your statement that it doesn't matter what discs are used confirms your total ineptitude.Now you're putting words in my mouth. What I really said was three things:
1) You don't need software to identify a disc's origin, you can look at the disc ID printed on the inner rim. As an expert, I thought you would have known this by now?
2) Or you could look at the packaging to identify the manufacturer/country. In many countries, correctly-labelled packaging is a legal requirement (eg. misrepresentation of the product, required to specify country of manufacture, etc)
3) If you really have to be so pedantic about what country your discs are manufactured in, you shouldn't be using burnt discs. So Japanese discs may last on average x years longer than Taiwan discs, big deal; neither would last anywhere near as long as a properly pressed ROM. We're talking a couple of decades +/- 3 years compared to about a century here, so really the difference between the longevity of various blank disc manufacturers is insignificant if you want the discs to last any serious length of time. Yes, some brands/manufacturers are better than others, and some may produce more coasters than others, but these are things you can verify immediately after a burn. If you're saving 10c/disc on the cheapies, but every 1 in 10 is a coaster, then you still come out on top. Again, since you claim to be an expert, these things should have been painfully obvious to you, so I don't know why you neglected to mention them.

As for the legality - yes, I know what I'm talking about. You may not care what your legal rights and restrictions are, but I care what mine are. So does this forum in regards to liability. The DMCA makes the "production and dissemination" of these softwares illegal. That means the US, and anyone who has trade agreements with them. The EUCD is the same, so that takes out any EU members.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Decrypter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA
http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-5162749.html
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3513_7-5128652.html

[smurfy]

This thread should have been closed long ago.
The whole thing in a nutshell is NOT what software you have or use BUT what you use the software for.
Bottom line there is no use debateing.There other places to learn those programs.
Google is your friend...............
Thanks for your opinion.
Unless this degenerates into non-technical flaming match (which it has threatened to do but thusfar avoided - just) I'm enjoying it too much to stop it.