Router/Modem

[kickers]

I guess I will have to start from scratch again with this network thing,,ok,,before i had dsl across room and was going to connect to laptop via wireless usb adapter,,well,,i am now going to use a small computer,,but dsl is still across room and now dsl is hooked up to a jukebox so it can download new songs. When i had dsl hooked up they left a little modem,,and now the people that hooked up jukebox brought a linkys router/modem and they have both of them hooked up,,not sure why but anyway the router/modem has 4 ports. My ? is how am I going to connect now,,i will still be using the wireless usb linkys adapter with a desktop computer?? Confusing since there is not another computer,,just a jukebox...Thanks,,:dizzy:

[bAdWaYz]

If the linksys router/modem is wireless all you need to do is use the wireless adapter that you have. If the linksys modem/router is not wireless then you need to plug one end of a cat5 "ethernet" cable from your computers wired "network adapter" to one of the modem/routers LAN ports.

[kickers]

If the linksys router/modem is wireless all you need to do is use the wireless adapter that you have. If the linksys modem/router is not wireless then you need to plug one end of a cat5 "ethernet" cable from your computers wired "network adapter" to one of the modem/routers LAN ports.

Now how can i plug a cable in when it is across the room,,???? It is a wired router/modem,,and i was using a wireless usb adapter from my computer because the router and moden are across the room,,a large room...

[kickers]

If the linksys router/modem is wireless all you need to do is use the wireless adapter that you have. If the linksys modem/router is not wireless then you need to plug one end of a cat5 "ethernet" cable from your computers wired "network adapter" to one of the modem/routers LAN ports.

let me try to explain my situation more clearly...I have dsl service,,it is connected to a jukebox...for downloading music via internet..it has a linkys cable/dsl router i suppose,,and i want to connect my computer which is across the room to get dsl service off of that service,,i have a wireless b usb adapter hooked to my computer,,then i took my wireless netger router and plugged the cable into the router on the jukebox,,ok,,i am showing that i have a connection,,the 2 little computers in the bottom of task bar say i am connected but when i try to go on internet explorer it comes up and say,,invalid syntex error??? Im using windows xp..please help!!:cool:

[bAdWaYz]

Ok thanks for making things a bit more clear now. Here is the deal for what you have. You have two options one being a little easier than the other, but both will get you what you want.

Option A:

Use a long length of Ethernet cable and plug your computer into the jukebox's' modem/router. This is the easiest option because it will require little to no setup on your part.

Option B:

Plug your wireless router into the jukebox's' modem/router. The way you would do this is a bit tricky however. Before you plug the wireless router into the wired router you need to make some changes to the wireless router. With that said the easy thing to do would be to plug your computer into the wireless router via one of its LAN ports. Log into the router so you can enter its setup area. To do that open a web browser and put in the routers default ip address. You have a netgear i have seen models of those with a 192.168.1.1 address and 192.168.0.1 so you can try either. Once logged in you will want to give the router a static ip address that is within the range of the wired router attached to the jukebox. For example if the wired router has an ip of 192.168.1.1 then give the wireless router a static ip of 192.168.1.2 use the same subnet mask as the wired router. Make the wireless routers gateway the ip address of the wired router, also use that ip for dns. With that done the next thing you would want to do is disable or turn off the dhcp server for the wireless router. Doing these steps basically turns the wireless router into a switch/access point sort of anyway.

[kickers]

Ok thanks for making things a bit more clear now. Here is the deal for what you have. You have two options one being a little easier than the other, but both will get you what you want.

Option A:

Use a long length of Ethernet cable and plug your computer into the jukebox's' modem/router. This is the easiest option because it will require little to no setup on your part.

Option B:

Plug your wireless router into the jukebox's' modem/router. The way you would do this is a bit tricky however. Before you plug the wireless router into the wired router you need to make some changes to the wireless router. With that said the easy thing to do would be to plug your computer into the wireless router via one of its LAN ports. Log into the router so you can enter its setup area. To do that open a web browser and put in the routers default ip address. You have a netgear i have seen models of those with a 192.168.1.1 address and 192.168.0.1 so you can try either. Once logged in you will want to give the router a static ip address that is within the range of the wired router attached to the jukebox. For example if the wired router has an ip of 192.168.1.1 then give the wireless router a static ip of 192.168.1.2 use the same subnet mask as the wired router. Make the wireless routers gateway the ip address of the wired router, also use that ip for dns. With that done the next thing you would want to do is disable or turn off the dhcp server for the wireless router. Doing these steps basically turns the wireless router into a switch/access point sort of anyway.

Ok,,i had rather go with option a since I am no good at networking,,If i can find a cable that long,,would need about 50 feet. Next ? is if i do this will i automatically have internet?? And I suppose there is suppose to be an empty place for me to plug the ethernet cable into their router??

[bAdWaYz]

If you go with option A you should get internet automatically. As long as your wired network adapter in the computer is set to auto obtain addressing and the modem/router is doing dhcp it should work with no fuss. The modem/router attached to the jukebox should indeed have an open ethernet port most have 4 open LAN ports to plug in other devices. Perhaps if you tell us what kind of device this thing is like give us a modle number or something we can look it up and give you better advice.

[kickers]

If you go with option A you should get internet automatically. As long as your wired network adapter in the computer is set to auto obtain addressing and the modem/router is doing dhcp it should work with no fuss. The modem/router attached to the jukebox should indeed have an open ethernet port most have 4 open LAN ports to plug in other devices. Perhaps if you tell us what kind of device this thing is like give us a modle number or something we can look it up and give you better advice.

My adapter is not wired,,it is a wireless usb adapter,,and the router attached to the jukebox is a linksys cable/dsl router.

[bAdWaYz]

You need to add a wired network adapter then and follow along with option !.

[cw00]

Hi
I have an irritating problem with internet connection. I have a laptop and a desktop in my house. The laptops conection is OK but is still quite slow although the desktop keeps losing its connection. There are a couple of reasons why this could be, i have been to various PC shops and they tend to say the same thing. My brother built up my pc quite a while ago and i think when he did that he bought a cheap wireless router from dabs.com for quite cheap (around 40 pound). I belive this is the main reason for the bad connection althouh my laptop card is also cheap one but the laptops conection is near perfect. Please will someone give me some tips on what i can do about it.
thanks - cw00:raphael:

[kickers]

You need to add a wired network adapter then and follow along with option !.

Oh my dear,,I thought I explained all of this earlier,,maybe I left something out?? I am sooooo confused now that I feel like my head is spinning around like a chuckie doll!! Why is it that I need a wired adapter when I am trying to get internet across the room?? Or is it because I just want to run a long ethernet cord,,but if I do that then why do I even need the adapter??
One more thing I thought I need to add here,,in my device manger,,there is a ? mark beside of pci simple communications controller and one besode of multimedia audio controller???

[bAdWaYz]

Let me be more clear this time and maybe we will both be on the same page. I'll start by addressing each question one at a time.

1. Q = "Why is it that I need a wired adapter when I am trying to get internet across the room"??

A= Because the device used to get internet access "the modem/router" is not a wireless modem/router. Thus is does not broadcast a wireless signal. In other words if the modem/router isn't wireless then you can't use a wireless adapter.

2. Q=" Or is it because I just want to run a long ethernet cord,,but if I do that then why do I even need the adapter"?

A= By adapter I mean an ethernet port. The thing on the back of your computer that looks like a phone jack but only bigger. That would be a network adapter. Most newer computers come with one built in but I wasn't sure if yours had one or not so I posted that you need one just in case. However if there is one already in your computer you are good to go.

3. Q="One more thing I thought I need to add here,,in my device manger,,there is a ? mark beside of pci simple communications controller and one besode of multimedia audio controller"?

A= That would tell me that you are missing drivers for one or more devices that are installed in your computer. It looks to me like your sound card and either network adapter or maybe your modem are missing drivers. The easy way to tell whats going on would be to go HERE (http://www.cybertechhelp.com/download/file/everest-home-edition) download Everest and take a look at Installed devices to see what you have and sometimes it will even give you a link to get the drivers for the devices it sees.

[kickers]

Let me be more clear this time and maybe we will both be on the same page. I'll start by addressing each question one at a time.

1. Q = "Why is it that I need a wired adapter when I am trying to get internet across the room"??

A= Because the device used to get internet access "the modem/router" is not a wireless modem/router. Thus is does not broadcast a wireless signal. In other words if the modem/router isn't wireless then you can't use a wireless adapter.

2. Q=" Or is it because I just want to run a long ethernet cord,,but if I do that then why do I even need the adapter"?

A= By adapter I mean an ethernet port. The thing on the back of your computer that looks like a phone jack but only bigger. That would be a network adapter. Most newer computers come with one built in but I wasn't sure if yours had one or not so I posted that you need one just in case. However if there is one already in your computer you are good to go.

3. Q="One more thing I thought I need to add here,,in my device manger,,there is a ? mark beside of pci simple communications controller and one besode of multimedia audio controller"?

A= That would tell me that you are missing drivers for one or more devices that are installed in your computer. It looks to me like your sound card and either network adapter or maybe your modem are missing drivers. The easy way to tell whats going on would be to go HERE (http://www.cybertechhelp.com/download/file/everest-home-edition) download Everest and take a look at Installed devices to see what you have and sometimes it will even give you a link to get the drivers for the devices it sees.


So I dont need anymore hardware,,just a place to plug ethernet cable in,right,

[bAdWaYz]

Yes that is correct.

[ceh383]

Option "A" would be the easiest way to remedy this situation. It does however require the ability to plug a CAT5 cable into your computer.

Option "B" would probably not work. As I see the situation, you would be trying to route a "Private" IP Address across two routers (a Netgear and a Linksys). Most routers will not allow this. Cisco has routers that can do this, but they are big $$$.

My question is, if you have a wireless Netgear router why not use it and ditch the Linksys?

You would have to carefully go through the Linksys configuration and duplicate it on the Netgear. Then you could go wireless.

[kickers]

[FONT=&quot]Option "A" would be the easiest way to remedy this situation. It does however require the ability to plug a CAT5 cable into your computer.



So what is going to be a problem with plugging a cat5 cable into my computer???:dizzy:

[kickers]

I am waiting on ethernet cord as we speak but in the meantime i tried to get online via regular internet with modem,,well didnt work either,,device manager shows no modem alough there is modem there,,but device manager also has a ?? beside my pci simple communications controller and the audio,,this was after i changed form win98 to winxp pro..i looked at modem best as i could and all i could see were these numbers,,AD 474K 250 V,,and i think somewhere i saw,,C-Media v.90?? help im going bezerk!!

[ceh383]

No problem as long as you have an ethernet port....

[kickers]

Can anyone tell me why it says i am connected to a wireless connection but have no internet,,it says invalid syntex error???

[bAdWaYz]

Option "B" would probably not work. As I see the situation, you would be trying to route a "Private" IP Address across two routers (a Netgear and a Linksys). Most routers will not allow this. Cisco has routers that can do this, but they are big $$$.


Why wouldn't it work? People "piggyback" routers all the time. Its not an ideal setup but it does work, heck I have done it myself.

As for kickers why are you trying to get a wireless connection now if you are waiting on a ethernet card in the mail? If you want to use your modem thats fine but you need to load drivers for it, hence the listed "pci simple communications controller" in device manager. You may find your modem and the driver download HERE (http://www.actiontec.com/support/archive.html) However it might be just as easy to wait for the ethernet card to come in the mail.

[ceh383]

Perhaps I misunderstand the setup. If you are running a computer with a private IP address through a router with private ip addresses on both LAN and WAN sides into another router with private address on LAN side and public address on WAN side it should not work. Private addresses are not registered and not routeable.

"IANA has set aside specific ranges of IP addresses for use as non-routable, internal network addresses. These addresses are considered unregistered (for more information check out RFC 1918: Address Allocation for Private Internets (http://computer.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=nat.htm&url=http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1918.txt), which defines these address ranges). No company or agency can claim ownership of unregistered addresses or use them on public computers. Routers are designed to discard (instead of forward) unregistered addresses. What this means is that a packet from a computer with an unregistered address could reach a registered destination computer, but the reply would be discarded by the first router it came to."

[kickers]

Why wouldn't it work? People "piggyback" routers all the time. Its not an ideal setup but it does work, heck I have done it myself.

As for kickers why are you trying to get a wireless connection now if you are waiting on a ethernet card in the mail? If you want to use your modem thats fine but you need to load drivers for it, hence the listed "pci simple communications controller" in device manager. You may find your modem and the driver download HERE (http://www.actiontec.com/support/archive.html) However it might be just as easy to wait for the ethernet card to come in the mail.


I really hate to even admit to this and the only reason I am is that you guys have been so helpful and PATIENT with me that I thought I would share this so maybe someone else that is sooooooooooooo neive to dsl/networking will read this and check behind what they are doing...Something I did not do until now.
Anyway,,I had been trying all this time to connect to internet with no luck,,,even after I got the long ethernet cord,,still nothing,,but when i was trying to connect I was just clicking on my internet explorer which I myself had set Yahoo for my homepage..so when I tried to connect it would come up saying invalid syntex error?? So I have have torn my puter apart,,tried everything that you guys said to so finally I decided to bring this computer, which i had at work to my house and see if I could connect from my dsl at home,,to start with same error about invalid syntex,,so I finally woke up and went and checked my internet options and low and behold,,when I typed in yahoo for my homepage,,I typed it in wrong,,I had htpp//www.yahoo.com,,how damn dumb can I be,,,(please dont answer that!!) and the only way I even found this out was I decided to go under favorites to see if there was anything I could connect to beside yahoo and there was msn,,and it connected,,I knew that I was connected before because it kept telling me i had a local connection and it was also downloading my windows updates...Now is this a NO BRAINER or what..Anyway it is all working now and I maybe someone will read this and be more careful about what they are doing as I should of done,,or maybe get their glasses changed!! Thanks for all the help you guys,,Have a good one..:rotflmao: ;)

[bAdWaYz]

Well that would do it for sure. Glad you got things fixed up :sarcastic