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[lufbra]

New smoking ban doing in the UK?

[degsy]

you'll have to wait for the smokers to come in from staning outside in the pouring rain to tell you about it :D

[dammit]

*TUT* It's rubbish mate. Went down the pub as usual yesterday and it was absolutely pi..... erm. lashing it down. Like you say we had to stand outside the pub with all the other lepers.. fag in one hand.. umbrella in the other.
The plus side I suppose was there was a lot more socializing going on between us weedites.. calling the Government fit to burn etc.
I think it's a diabolical liberty. I fully agree with banning it in the workplace that is another matter.
Loads of pub landlords have also benn moaning about it also and asking why could they not have the choice to become a non smoking pub or a smoking pub.. which seems to make more sense.
I can't see it lasting without some sort of backlash and reform. :disgust:

dammit. News at 10. Pie Country.

[PurestLight]

why could they not have the choice to become a non smoking pub or a smoking pub.. Yep, much better idea. My kids are now trying to get me smoking outside; Im already limited to the top end of the kitchen with windows open or utility room with door open. Trouble is, the more they nag me, the less likely I am to stop :hmm:

[miller123]

People have a choice to smoke, if they do not wish to smoke they should not have to endure other peoples smoke. Go outside or quit!

[dammit]

This has of course been discussed before here (http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107029&highlight=smoking+ban). ;)

[Miz]

Yes, smokers can choose to smoke or not. In my opinon, private business owners should not only have the right to choose whether they want to allow smoking; they should have a right to choose a lot more things than they are currently allowed...in the U.S., anyway.

[Snurfen]

It's great, we all stand out in the beer garden catching up on gossip and having a few ciggies.

The upside is, you come home from the pub/club/bar not smelling like a fireman's uniform. I'm a long time smoker, and I really appreciate the fact that I can see who is in the place. Always feel uncomfortable wafting my own smoke over non-smokers, and I never smoke in the house (mine or other peeps).

won't be long before The Sun reports on the first smoking area wedding!

[Pi rules]

it was absolutely pi
Must have been awesome. ;)

In my opinion, private business owners should not only have the right to choose whether they want to allow smoking
But, what about the business they lose from people like me who cannot breathe anywhere near a cigarette or from those who wish to keep that dangerous smoke out of their lungs? I guess the business they lose depends on they type of business, though. My city has a smoking ban and, because of it, I can now go some places where I previously couldn't inhaler/nebulizer or not. Some bar owners complained, but it doesn't seem that business has gone down. It would be interesting to see a study (found this detailed one (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4576608) :rolleyes:), but I'm finally starting to get tired. ;)

[Miz]

In my opinon, it's up to the business owner to decide if allowing smoking would adversely affect their profits. It's possible that allowing smoking would attract more customers from the ranks of those who smoke.

Business owners make those sorts of decisions all the time; i.e., potential profit vs. potential loss.

[oracle128]

Fine, thanks. (You said Australia (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21997781-1702,00.html) right?)

[DELTREE]

http://bestsmileys.com/smoking/6.gifAll the CRAP going on in the world an we are worried about smokershttp://bestsmileys.com/smoking/5.gif give me a break PLEASE!
Only trying to HELP!!
Your Friend DELTREE

[Pi rules]

Business owners make those sorts of decisions all the time; i.e., potential profit vs. potential loss.
But, there are some very adverse health affects associated with smoking and second-hand smoke, so those should be considered as well.

[Miz]

But, there are some very adverse health affects associated with smoking and second-hand smoke, so those should be considered as well.

There are all sorts of things a business owner has to take into consideration when making business decisions.

My point is that I believe in letting the business owner, who probably knows his customers better than the government does, make those sorts of decisions. Business owners will make decisions based on profit and loss.

Yes, some will make bad choices. Business owners who make a lot of bad choices are called "former business owners."

[G_Dem]

I feel like an outcast at work. When I'm in the office there's a little yellow grid on the floor, out in the far end of the carpark. No shelter or anything.

When I'm out of the office and in my van I can't smoke, which can be hard when stuck in traffic for 3 hours.

[Snurfen]

Yeah, they stuck loads of no smoking signs in our pool car - we just chucked a big bottle of febreeze in so we can de-orderise after having a couple of tabs. Dammed if I'm going to drive for 3 hours without a little toke along the way!

we've got a rather nice little picnic area for our gaspers - 10 picnic tables on a south facing patio.

[lufbra]

Fine, thanks. (You said Australia (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21997781-1702,00.html) right?)

I didn't know Australia was doing theirs at the same time.

When I'm out of the office and in my van I can't smoke, which can be hard when stuck in traffic for 3 hours.

o you're saying you can't smoke in your own vehicle? I knew you wouldn't be able to smoke in a taxi cab or any other "public transport" vehicle, but not your own vehicle!! Can you smoke in your own home?

My point is that I believe in letting the business owner, who probably knows his customers better than the government does, make those sorts of decisions. Business owners will make decisions based on profit and loss.

So tell me, how many businesses stopped folks smoking in their buildings before the smoking ban? My point is that if they were given a choice, non of them would put a smoking ban on their premises, that's why it has/had to be a complete ban "accross the board". Here in MA the ban is now maybe 3 years old and it really had no effect whatsoever on businesses, the bars/restaurants etc, are still just as crowded (or not crowded) as ever.

[degsy]

Quote:
When I'm out of the office and in my van I can't smoke, which can be hard when stuck in traffic for 3 hours.
o you're saying you can't smoke in your own vehicle? I knew you wouldn't be able to smoke in a taxi cab or any other "public transport" vehicle, but not your own vehicle!! Can you smoke in your own home?


It's classed as a business location or something like that. It's not personal property.

[Snurfen]

It's classed as a business location or something like that. It's not personal property.

Pity the poor street sweeper who likes the occasional bifter when going merrily about his brushing duties :p Does he have to stand off the street?

[degsy]

I'm surprised the council still hires smokers :D

[rockboy]

It'll eventually be normal to walk into a bar and smell the beer and peanuts instead of dirty ashtrays and stale smoke. People get used to it and adjust or quit. ;)

When smoking was banned in bars and restaurants around here the predictions were dire... business driven away to nearby towns, etc. Didn't happen.

[G_Dem]

It'll eventually be normal to walk into a bar and smell the beer and peanuts instead of dirty ashtrays and stale smoke. People get used to it and adjust or quit. ;)

When smoking was banned in bars and restaurants around here the predictions were dire... business driven away to nearby towns, etc. Didn't happen.

Even though I'm a smoker it was quite nice to go to a bar and not have clouds of smoke everywhere. When I wanted a cig, I just went outside. No big deal.

[dammit]

Even though I'm a smoker it was quite nice to go to a bar and not have clouds of smoke everywhere. When I wanted a cig, I just went outside. No big deal.
It IS a big deal..... civil liberties and all that. I still say the same... smoking pubs/non smoking pubs. Miz is correct..... landlords/business's know their customers better than the government and should have the choice to choose.

I feel a William Wallace moment coming on...


FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Snurfen]

whos that grey haired bloke with a woady face getting slung out of a pub for lighting up?

[lufbra]

Miz is correct..... landlords/business's know their customers better than the government and should have the choice to choose.

So despite all of us here who have said there was no difference in the ammount of customers going to bars etc, as in the management never lost any customers, thus not losing business, you still say Miz is right? That's totally wrong and has been proved here already.

But look at it this way, just as you're saying that managers/landlords should have the choice, say if in a town there's 6 pubs and three decided to go smoke free, the other three stay as they were, don't you think that folks would be more likely to go to the pubs that aren't smoke free? Thus meaning that eventually the other three pubs would start allowing smoking again. That's why it's a case of ALL pubs being smoke free.

[Miz]

Look at it from another direction. Had non-smokers who object to being around smokers stayed away in numbers large enough to affect the profit margin, the business owner would have banned smoking to get his customers back. There are, after all, far more non-smokers than smokers these days. Numbers like that carry economic clout.

That didn't happen. Either the desertion of non-smokers wasn't enough to affect the profit margin or the non-smokers didn't object enough to refuse to patronize said businesses.

So the debate gets down to "Why should I have to stay away because you smoke? vs "Why should I be banned from smoking because you choose not to stay away?" :D