Need the good oil on dual booting

[hawk22]

Hi,
I have a second HD installed on my PC by following the Guide from here and it had worked A1 thank you.
However I would now like to dual boot WIN XP Pro, presently running WIN98 SE on a IBM 40gig 7200 ATA100 with Partitions C-D-and E, the new HD is a Maxtor 40gig 7200 rpm ATA133. It is setup as Slave following the guide and cabled as Cable select to a ATA100 PCI Controller.
I have installed on the system "Acronis OS Selector" + "Acronis Partition Expert", hoping that this will help somewhere along the way.
Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
hawk22

[degsy]

If you use a normal setup then insert the XP CD and run the setup.
Via the setup you can format & partition the drive and install XP.

Because the partition will be a Primary Partition it will appear as Drive D.

So you will now have

Disk1 - C (Win98), E, F
Disk2 - D (WinXP)


XP will also install it's own BootLoader alloing you to choose the OS at startup.


Another way to do it would be to use a tool such as Partition Magic (+BootMagic).
This will give you alot more options on the drive setup, including Active, Primary/Logical and Hidden partitions.

[GretaP]

Hi hawk22,
As XP natively supports booting from a secondary drive, includes the facilities to partition and format within its Setup routine and it has its own boot manager, you probably won't need to use the third-party application.

While within WIN98, insert the XP install CD, and if autorun is not enabled, go to Start>Run and key in:
<CDROM drive letter>:\setup
<ENTER>

At "Welcome to Windows Setup", for Installation Type, choose from picklist, choose New Installation (Advanced) vs. Upgrade (Recommended)
Accept the EULA
Key in product serial number and click on Next
*** here is the important part NOT to miss --> Click on Advanced Options button and Click in box beside "I want to choose the install drive letter and partition during Setup" and click on OK ***
Select primary language and region from picklist [defaults to English (United States)] and click on Next
In "Get updated setup files" window, click in radio button beside your preference and click on Next

After copying installation files, you'll be at a blue "Welcome to Setup" screen:
• To set up Windows XP now, press Enter
• To repair a Windows XP installation using Recovery Console, press R
• To quit Setup without installing Windows XP, press F3

Press Enter

• To set up Windows XP on the selected item, press Enter
• To create a partition in the unpartitioned space, press C
• To delete the selected partition, press D

If you've already created a partition on the second drive, use arrow keys to highlight the partition where you want it installed and press Enter. If the second drive has not yet been partitioned, use arrow keys to highlight the unpartitioned space on second drive and press C. Follow the prompts to select the partition size and press ENTER
When you're returned to the partition screen, the partition that you just created will be highlighted, and will be shown as [New <Raw>] as it has not been formatted yet.......to set up XP in this partition, press ENTER.
Next screen is for file system that you want to use (FAT or NTFS) and whether you want Quick format or regular. Highlighted choice is NTFS file system. Use arrow key to change (if you don’t want default) and press Enter
NOTE: WINXP cannot format a FAT32 volume that is greater than 32G, but it can format NTFS for volume greater than 32G
Will now format.
When format is complete, setup copies file to an installation folder and restarts, launching into the installation process.

[hawk22]

Hi and thank you degsy and GretaP,
GretaP this is great your instructions, as I am threading on new ground here. However I do have some more questions for you before I dive into the deep end sorry.
My old drive is 98SE and Fat 32 the new drive when I installed it was Formatted as per Tutorial from here in WIN 98 My Computer..... The whole drive is F all 40gig of it.
If I am reading your instructions correctly then I can keep this driveletter without upsetting Windows in my old drive by changing driveletters there.
As I had expected it to be like degsy mentioned that my new drive F will become D and Windows won't find anything anymore I got a little proggy called "Drive Letter Asigner" but if I don't need that would be much better.
In regards to WINXP and format only 32gig on Fat 32 I really don't know what to do and I need your advise here.
The drive is 40gig and F with a WIN98 format fat 32 on cable select on a PCI Controller now my intensions for this drive are mainly to work with Photos Scanning Editing and so on perhaps a few MP3's FAT32 or NTFS I have no idea all I do know is that I would like XP to be able to use most or at least some of my programs on drive 1.
In regards to the partition for WINXP will Windows pick its own size as I don't really wan't to patition it like drive 1.
If you could clear up this questions for me I would be very greatful to you.
many thanks
hawk22

[GretaP]

Hi hawk22
You're welcome

Since you've already created and formatted the partition on the second drive, you don't have to go thru the partitioning/formatting step in WINXP's Setup........in fact, using a WIN98 startup floppy to partition and format is the "workaround" for XP's limitation in regards to formatting a volume that is greater than 32G. When you get to the second set of menu options that I mentioned in my reply (i.e., "To set up Windows XP on the selected item, press Enter; To create a partition in the unpartitioned space, press C; To delete the selected partition, press D), just ensure that the partition on the second drive is the one that is highlighted (use cursor keys to select and highlight this partition if necessary), then press ENTER.

As for WINXP using most/some of the programs on Drive 1, I don't know if you'd be able to run these programs in WINXP if they were installed on the WIN98 partition........if they were installed via WIN98 but installed to one of the logical drives (i.e., D or E), then you could run these programs while in WINXP (just create a shortcut to the executable file on the WINXP Desktop to make things easier).

[hawk22]

GretaP Hi and Thanks,

I am back after some unfortunate interruption, asking for more advice, I did have some mishap with my installation of XP and had to get a Techie to get me going again.
What happened was after installing WinXP which worked OK I was no longer able to access Win 98SE, although XP brought up the Boot option when selecting 98 it just went back to Start and started loading Windows from the beginning and coming to the option again time after time, and would only finish booting when selecting XP.
My Techie fixed for me and I have now Acronis OS Selector option working into 98SE or XP Pro, but he used his XP CD to reload with his CD key and I have now 30 days to activate, but in order to do so, must I reload again my copy of XP or can I just change the CD key to the one that I have.
If I have to reload XP what is the correct way so that I will not load a fresh copy of XP and end up stuffing the lot up again. XP is working fine as it is I have not loaded any drivers as yet as I would like to find out which drivers I have to install in what order and how best to do it.
Also can I have a dual Internet Connection so that I can use the Internet when in 98 and when in XP. Sorry that I have so many questions but this is totally new ground for me. What is your or for that matter anyone’s opinion and or experience with dual booting is it reliable or just a pain in the butt.
Looking forward for more of the good oil
Hawk22

[GretaP]

Bummer that your initial installation of XP kinda bunged up, but I'm glad that you were able to get things on the right track.

As for the need to change the product key, have a look at this MSKB article for instructions on how to change the product key at the time of activation.

Yes, you can set up your internet connection both in 98 and XP.

[hawk22]

Hi there GretaP,

Sorry to bug you again with my problems, apparently in order to activate XP I will have to run my copy of XP over the OEM version that the techie installed on my system in order to get it going again.
As I don't want to stuff it up again I do need advice on how to do that correctly.
As both my OS ses are virtually independent systems I think that if I can, than it probably would be better to set up XP on NTFS rather than FAT32.
Now would you please guide me along to run my copy of XP over the OEM version that he has installed. the last time I tried this I started installing a second set of XP and I don't want that again.
Or would you recomend to Format F again and do a clean install ??
your help would again be very much appreciated
thanks hawk22

[GretaP]

You could try doing a repair install with your copy of XP, using second repair option, but be prepared to format F if it comes to that.
Here's what you should do:

First of all, if you have an "always on" connection to the internet (cable, for example), unhook the modem from the computer. This will prevent the MSBlaster or Welchia worm from invading your system and messing up the install when it gets to the networking portion of the install. Have Security Update KB824146 d/loaded and ready to apply immediately after installation and activation has been completed, and prior to connecting to the internet.....you could d/load it while within WIN98, and you should be able to access the WIN98 partition via My Computer when in XP.

Ensure that the Boot Order in your BIOS is set to try booting first from CD drive

Boot from WINXP install CD, and watch closely for the “Press any key to boot from CD” message when you first start/restart your computer…..when you see that message at the bottom of the screen, press any key.

Setup takes a few moments loading files.

At the blue “Welcome to Setup” screen:

· To set up Windows XP now, press Enter
· To repair a Windows XP installation using Recovery Console, press R
· To quit Setup without installing Windows XP, press F3

Press Enter

***at this point, setup searches for previous installations of Windows XP, and if it finds any, it will display this screen:
If one of the following Windows XP installation is damaged, Setup can try to repair it.
Use the Up and DOWN ARROW keys to select an installation.
· To repair the selected Windows XP installation, press R.
· To continue installing a fresh copy of Windows XP without repairing, press Esc.
This is what I refer to as the “second repair option”
When you get to this screen, ensure that the drive and partition where XP is installed is highlighted, then press R to repair it. This should reinstall XP overtop of the previous installation, and will take the same amount of time to complete as a fresh install.

If you don't receive the above option to repair the current installation of Windows, do not continue with the install. Instead, perform a clean install by hitting Esc

You will now see a listing of the partitions on your hard drive(s)

· To set up Windows XP on the selected item, press Enter
· To create a partition in the unpartitioned space, press C
· To delete the selected partition, press D

Use arrow keys to highlight the partitions that you want deleted, and press D. You will get a confirmation of partition deletion screen. To confirm deletion, press L. You’ll then be returned to the previous screen. **Note: if you are deleting a partition where an operating system currently resides, you will probably get an additional confirmation of partition deletion screen, at this screen press ENTER and then you will be at the second confirmation of partition deletion screen where you press L to confirm deletion**

Once the partitions have been deleted, you will be left with unpartitioned (unallocated) space where the partitions used to be (if you deleted ALL the partitions, then the unpartitioned space would span the entire hard drive). The unpartitioned space should be highlighted…if for some reason it’s not, use the arrow keys to highlight it, and press C to Create a partition in the unpartitioned space. Next screen is for partition size……defaults to the maximum size of the unpartitioned/unallocated space.
Press Enter to create this partition
Back at the partition screen, the partition that you just created will be highlighted, and will be shown as [New <Raw>] as it has not been formatted yet……..to set up XP in this partition, press Enter. Next screen is for file system that you want to use (FAT or NTFS) and whether you want Quick format or regular. Highlighted choice is NTFS file system. Use arrow key to change (if you don’t want default) and press Enter. Will now format.
When format is complete, setup copies file to an installation folder and restarts………do NOT choose Boot from CD at this point, as the setup files have been copied to hard drive…..let it boot normally. Will now launch into the installation process.

[hawk22]

Hi GretaP and thank you so much, I am sorry that I have ben draging my legs in responding to you.
I have read your reply quite a few times in order to fully digest it and I think that I will have a go at it as you recomend.
In regards to the security upgrade I have Modem dial up but I have that security upgrade CD that MS is giving away at the moment, do you know if that CD can be used to install SP1 I can't find out.
If I have to format F it doen't matter as there is nothing on it
best regards
hawk22

[GretaP]

You're very welcome, hawk22, and don't worry about being tardy in responding, as my "real life" job involves shiftwork at an establishment that doesn't allow internet access, so I know what it's like having to respond to someone many hours (or even a day or so) later.

According to this MSKB article, the updates do include SP1.

[hawk22]

GretaP Hi;
I have some good news and some bad news First the good news I followed your instructions in regards to doing the second repair in installing my version of XP over the OEM version that the techie had installed and it worked just fine. My dual boot 98SE - XP Pro is working well and I have been very busy installing Programs on to XP. "Thank You"
One thing I have not done yet and I would like your opinion on that is in regards to SP1 I have not installed it cause I was told that it will slow XP down very much and that I should be using SP1a instead.
Now as I had mentioned to you I do have the MS CD that MS is shipping out and it contains SP1 but I dont know if it is SP1a what is your opinion on that.

Now comes the bad news, as I am attempting to back up all my valuable and usefull stuff onto CD and over to XP only what I do need there and then format and re-install 98 in order to clean out the junk. Now here it comes during the process of selecting items to burn to CD I clicked onto a Icon that I believed was a small Backup Program but I dont know as my screen went black and froze up apon rebooting it apears to me that Explorer cracked the ****s I am using Power Desk 5 instead of Windows Explorer and I was in Powerdesk at the time but several more Programs will not work now including My Computer, Windows Explorer and a host of other proggies, I am actually surprized that my Web Browser is working. Although they all work ok in Safe Mode. Windows will load as normal and the Desktop is as normal but when double clicking on certain Apps. like Power Desk and some more they will not load the egg timer will just stay on.
I did a Scanreg Restore and replaced the Registry with a good one but it made no difference, then I performed a Scanreg /Fix and it came up with that there is a problem with System Files and it can not fix them.
On my 98SE I have C- D - and E. E being my Backup Drive and I have a recent copy of my Registry there and also a copy of my C:\ drive containing many File Icons but I have no Idea on how to use them and maybe restore my C:\ drive or should I try and reload Windows 98SE.
At this point I have no Internet Connection on XP untill I have installed the Security updates.
Is there a way to be able to acess your Optical drives in Safe Mode and also my LS 120 I can not see them in Safe Mode I have 2 Floppys a normal A:\ drive and my LS 120 that windows sees as a Removable drive.
Once again your advice will be very much appreciated
Regards
hawk22

[GretaP]

According to this MSKB article, the CD contains SP1a

WIN98's scanreg /fix has, for some reason, "issues" when the registry is larger than around 8 - 10 mb.

The copy of C drive that you have on another partition.......was that created using an imaging program, such as Norton Ghost or PowerQuest Drive Image?

[hawk22]

Hi GretaP,
Looks like that you are a very hard worker, wished I had your Energie.
Well I have quite a mixture here.
I have a very recent Backup of my D and E: drive where I used Drive Image 2002, including the 2 Boot Disks, the Registry and C: drive I think I made with Genie Backup Manager. But I also have a Backup of C from last Year made with Drive Image 2002, don't know if a restore of D drive would be of value, like I mentioned many of my programs are ok I was in D when trouble struck.
Anyhow I will wait for you to get back on your Feet and see what you think.
One thing while I think of it when I download something of the Internet I can only download it to the folder that I had used last, when I try to change it say to 3 1/2 " Floppy it will hang.
regards
hawk22

[GretaP]

I think I'm getting a little confused as to in which operating system the programs are not working. When you mentioned trying to run scanreg /restore and scanreg /fix, I assumed that the "non-opening proggies problem" was in 98, but you have mentioned that you were in D (the XP partition) when trouble struck, so now I'm scratching my head thinking "Is the problem in XP?"