Netscape/Type 2 errors

[Audone]

Mac 233, OS 9.1, 192mb memory, Netscape 4.76

In the last several days Netscape shuts down frequently and completely with a Type 2 error. :mad:Even though it states that I have to restart, I don't, and just relaunch NS. What exactly is a Type 2 error? :confused: I've allocated 30,000K to NS, when minimum is 6144K and recommended is 8192K.

Thanks ahead!

[Steven.Bentley]

I was always under the impression that a Type 2 was memory but a quick bit of looking up suggests that it's an Address Error, basically someone can't program properly.

Now these are apparently only meant to happen on 68K machines, but you have a G3 :confused:

For the record I've had them on my iMac too ;)

I suppose the Netscape approved solution would be to download Netscape 6 but that's even worse :eek: :rolleyes:

Try 4.7.4 I have no problems with that. Touch wood ;)

[Audone]

Have you tried IE at all Steven? I've looked at downloading it and giving it a run, but don't know as I want anymore headaches! :(
I know for a fact that I'm not going near NS6, even with a long pole!! ;)


NS 4.76 has been fine until just recently...is it possible that it's corrupted or something?

[Steven.Bentley]

If it's been working try dumping its preferences (but back them up first)

Try reinstalling it too.

I use IE 5 all the time, 5.5 should be fun because it's standards compliant, unlike any other major browser (and IE 5.5 PC) so it's arguable if any sites will work with it.

You'll find IE 4.5 on the orange iMac installer disk you got with the system, it's in the internet access section when you run the system installer.

[Buzz]

Actually a Type 2 error means your computer tried to access a bit of memory that isn't there. It is basically an adressing error like Steven mentioned. Your system catalog has gotten confused as to where the memory is and how much of it there is. Type 1, Type 2 and Type 10 are all basically this error. Type 10 is more of a bus error though. They are all minor and should easily be corrected. they will pop up from time to time just from normal use.

You should run a utility like Nortons or Disk Warrior and rebuilt the desktop when you repeatedly see this error.

It's not Netscape specific, it's a general OS error, could happen in any application. I don't believe dumping your preferences will help in this case. It never has for me anyway.

I use both NS 4.77 and IE5 on the Mac. they both operate well. I prefer NS but unfortunately some sites just don't function in NS so I keep IE loaded in case I need to use a site that is not NS compliant. Something like 70% of people use IE so a great many site designers focus on IE only. But I use NS 99% of the time without a problem

I will admit, much to my dismay, that NS on the Mac is the most painstaking to design for. It's so buggy when creating html pages. It's not nearly as forgiving as IE can be. I'm just greatful it's not as bad as AOL. :)

You're wise to stay away from NS6 it's a mess! And it's so close to IE that you might as well use IE.

[ 15 April 2001: Message edited by: Buzz ]

[ 15 April 2001: Message edited by: Buzz ]

[Audone]

Yo Buzz, aka Scott! Happy Easter guy! I had recently run my monthly clean-up ritual, including Norton, TTPro and Disk Warrior, but hadn't rebuilt the desktop....will do that now. Interesting that I've never received this error when doing anything else....only when using NS.

Do you ever have a problem with both browsers on your system.....like with one opening when you want the other? I've done some reading on this, and that seems to be a common bit of trouble. I always felt loyal to NS, but am beginning to question that loyalty.But I'm also hesitant to create another set of headaches for myself! :eek:

[Buzz]

:D Happy Easter to you too Audrey!

Actually never had a single problem with both browsers. At times if you double click a url file in the finder it will open IE because it's an IE bookmark. That's just because that's the way the retailer set up the bookmark. You can still drag and drop onto NS and the file will open.

I don't like having a lot of aliases and things on my desktop so I use TaskMenuBar. Which stores things in the wasted space of the menu bar. A definate must have! Check it out! Click here (http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=7323). It allows for drag and drop onto it's icons without desktop clutter. it's also the best little launcher I've seen. It should be built into the OS. Lord know why it's not!

I have my internet prefs to use NS as the default browser and 90% of the time that's what launches when I click a link anywhere.

Honestly I can't imagine why installing IE would cause any headaches at all. Just when you run it for the first time be sure to tell it NO when it asks if you want to use IE as your default browser and click the "Don't ask again" box. If you mistakenly click yes you can always go to the internet control panel and reset Netscape as the default browser.

I don't have Outlook Express (IE's email client) installed anywhere. That caused problems for me because it wanted to monopolize my email. But IE and OE are two seperate apps you don't need Outlook to use IE.

[ 15 April 2001: Message edited by: Buzz ]

[Audone]

Thanks for the great info! I'm glad to hear there aren't many glitches....I was concerned about the e-mail issue as well, but appears that won't be a problem. I think I'm going to give it a run in the next few days.

I've looked briefly at TaskMenu Bar, and will delve deeper there tomorrow.....too many little visitin munchkins high on sugar tonight, and I'm beat!

[Steven.Bentley]

The AOL browser isn't all that bad... I'm writing this in it at the moment ;)

Arguably it's IE that's buggy letting you get away with bad code :rolleyes:

[Buzz]

Yeah IE is extremely forgiving, but that gives NS the appearance of being problem ridden. I think we're in agreement here Steven, just stating it in different ways. :)

I simply hate AOL because of the image compression scheme. Why they feel the need to use somethign totally foreign to everything else is beyond me.

[Steven.Bentley]

But you can turn AOL's compression off, in My AOL>Preferences>WWW

[Buzz]

:D Yes, I know. But how many AOL users do you think really know that? Not many I fear.

[Audone]

Well, I d/l and installed IE5 this morning. All seemed to go well, except it never asked me if it should be my default browser (thanks to you Scott, I had a nervous breakdown, worrying that I'd inadvertently say yes!) I was able to import all my Netscape bookmarks with no difficulty too! http://server3006.freeyellow.com/audone/Thinking.gif

I'm not so sure I like it, but maybe it just takes time. The font initially is so huge, and even changing those preferences, I'm not happy when I go to some sites.....others seem just fine.....go figure! But I'll keep playing with it and see if I can get to like it any better.
http://server3006.freeyellow.com/audone/beatsme.gif

[Buzz]

Well that wouldn't be the first time a woman's accused me of causing a nervous breakdown. :D

I'm surprised it didn't ask. It always asks me, every time I installing on any machine.

The one huge difference you'll notice Audrey is the type sizes. Netscape is puny in comparison to som IE sites.

[Audone]

Not only the type sizes....do the same sites have different colors in the 2 browsers? I thought I was lost a couple times today!

I've set my cache at zero, as in NS, so don't anticipate any problems there, but is there a way to get rid of the History thing under the "Window" section? Seems to me it keeps alot of information there that will cause me grief! Every place I've been since I installed it is in there.

Edited for loss of memory! What is the spinning ball I have every time I do something? I thought in NS that was Java starting, but IE doesn't say anything about that!

[ 16 April 2001: Message edited by: Audone ]

[Steven.Bentley]

The spinning ball is like that N thing in the corner of Netscape, it's just to tell you that it's trying to connect to a page.

On the font sizes, go to Text Size under the View menu.

To delete the history go to Preferences, the Advanced section has a button marked clear history.

For the colours, there are only 3 things it could be...

In Preferences, browser display you can specify default colours for when a page hasn't set colours itself, you may have different colours set up in NS and IE.

The site may be using some JavaScript to send different colours to both, but I can't see the point.

The site could be using some Cascading Style Sheets that aren't 100% compatible.

[Buzz]

I vote for the last thing on the colors. :)


The spinning cursor similar to NS java start up is just the stanard cursor in IE Audrey, istead of the watch.

[Bill]

Audrey Hi. Have you tried going to > view >browser color to change that?

Oh yeah Scott on that matter about refreshing. Two things. One: I read somewhere that for macs instead of using shift + reload in NS you use option + reload?.? Which I've been doing for years now and it works straight from the server. So maybe try option + reload in IE?..? Who knows.

Forgot Two; duh!! Crap-o-la ...I did forget now.... Anyone got some extra gray matter for sale cheap!! :)

[ 17 April 2001: Message edited by: Bill ]

[Audone]

Howdy Bill...just been listening to some more of your toe-tappin' music! :cool:

Thanks Steven for the info....got rid of that History mess in a hurry! The colors don't bother me 'cause usually I wouldn't know any different...just so happened that I accessed the same site with different browsers and it kinda threw me!

I did change the browser color Bill...tried them all! But kept coming back to Bondi!! :)

I like the two options on the button bar for changing text size...makes things handy when you're on the fly! ;)

The more I use IE, the better I like it.....for now, anyway.....no Type 2's yet!

As to spare gray matter Bill......sorry I can't help you...I need all I've got!! :p

[Audone]

Liking IE more and more all the time, but got my first Type 2 error today! Oh well, it's been good up til now, once I got going!!

[Steven.Bentley]

I have to use the AOL software alongside IE... AOL normally crashes and takes the system with it before IE has chance to give me a type 2 :p

[Audone]

Gee whiz Steven, I don't envy you those crashes!! At least my Type 2's let me be logged back on, and with nothing lost, in about 30 seconds!! :p

[Steven.Bentley]

At the moment, that's the least of my problems... the PRAM battery's dead so my machine boots up thinking it's the year 2040 and expires my cookies and QuickTime 5 beta :eek:

[Buzz]

ooooo my heart goes out to you Steven. those QT betas wreak total chaos when the expire (or think they have).

The full QT5 version has been released though. http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/

Thought I'd throw that out.

[Buzz]

BTW, Thanks Bill. i think i tried just about every key combination known to man. None of them work 100%. Not for images at least.

I've grown to appreciate NS Shift + Reload command greatly. :)