it this going too far.

[renegade600]

The uk is considering putting embedding rfid chips in automobile license plates. See this (http://www.rfidnews.org/news/2004/06/10/rfidenabled-license-plates-to-identify-uk-vehicles/)article. What do you think about this. Do you think the government has the right to track your car everywhere it goes?

[tramtwo]

Walking or horse riding may once again gain favor with the people. ;)

[Harrie]

I'll take horse riding, Tram! :wave:

Hmmm, my first gut reaction was yes, entirely! But then within 2 minutes, I re-thought it and no, I think it's a good idea. Heck, that could prevent a whole, whole lot of crimes, when you think about it! I say go for it. Am I crazy?

[tramtwo]

Not a bad choice Harry. ;) That streak that you see passing, up on the levee, might just be me on my bike. ;)

[Harrie]

Was that you?!!! Speed of light, Tram, speed of light! ;) ;)

[Trillian]

this is going way too far. Go ahead, prove the fact that george orwell is exactly right with his book 1984. It starts with surveilance camera's, and then chips for personal protection, who knows what the next step might be..

[renegade600]

this is going way too far. Go ahead, prove the fact that george orwell is exactly right with his book 1984. It starts with surveilance camera's, and then chips for personal protection, who knows what the next step might be..
The next step is to embed the chip under everyones skin.

[Trillian]

The next step is to embed the chip under everyones skin.luckily, i still have my tin foil hat. :)

[Harrie]

But look you guys, I know this is rather a broad sweeping statement, but the world is different today. Not so much to do with this chip thing in particular, but, to me, there is a side to be argued on safety from quite a variety of life "threats" - that may mean less personal freedom, more hassles, more checks. Hmmm, this is very vague. I guess my real point is, why do some people not wish to compromise at all? Isn't it reasonable? Might it not be necessary?

[dammit]

NO IT'S NOT.....don't get me started....Personal freedom is what we fought wars for...are all those lives wasted now because goverments CAN an WILL track your every move? Where will it end??? BIG BROTHER!!!!!!

I just deleted my rants...mainly because I have had a few beers... :disgust:

[Dewbacca]

It would be different if more freedoms were allowed, but they work too hard to legislate morality. They want to tell you who you can sleep with, what you can do when you sleep with them, regulating what you ingest from birth to death, and supposedly for our "Best interests".

It would be different if Ciggerettes were illegal with marijuana... but one serves them, and the other serves you. I do not want the people who take tax money from tobacco and arms sales to fund a war on the drugs that offend them. Then turn around and subsidize the over pricing of Legal seditives like Xanex and Valium.

If it was a perfect government... I would trust them to track us. But if it was a perfect government... they would not need to track us.

[tramtwo]

I'm not worried until they can turn my brain waves into speech. :eek: Personal freedom, itz just that, personal. Both Jefferson and Lincoln warned about the willingness to trade freedom for security, it is coming to pass (http://www.mipt.org/gallupoustudy.asp). Doesn't mean the sky is falling, or that I will soon be fitted with a cage, for my head, containing rats. I like the idea of "following" the bad guys, deciding whom they are is another matter and will continue to be the cause of much pain in this world. Would any one care to follow me to the store for some Blue Bell Ice Cream? Bring a notebook and record how long I stared into the freezer before making my choice of vanilla. ;)




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[Dewbacca]

Read an interesting Bumper sticker today...

"Of course you can trust the Government... Ask any Native American"

[nikolasvarma]

why do i have the feeling that people have stopped thinking about privacy?
im a person who is looking forward to live in the moon if it is private

[lufbra]

That's okay, just so long as it's only you living there, otherwise how could it be private? :)

[anyte]

The problem with tracking and watching is everything looks and seems suspicious to someone.

Case in point - child abuse. This is not to minimize the problems with child abuse but to point out how the ever watchful eye and suspicion has created problems for other parents. Parenting has gotten increasingly more difficult as every act of discipline is abusive in someone's eyes. A crying baby is now often enough considered a victim of abuse. Every broken arm and leg must be investigated. Every time you yell someone assumes you are being abusive. And often enough there's nothing going on ... nothing even close to child abuse. Children cry when they are afraid, when they are angry, or when they fall down. Children do have legitimate accidents that involve bodily injury. People yell - at other people on the phone, at something on the TV, out the window to get someone's attention.

I've been investigated for child abuse once because my baby was crying in a room adjacent to a room in which some remodeling was being done. I had to strip my baby so he could be examined. I had to answer a lot of invasive questions.

I was investigated a second time because he fell off a toy and was crying. He had no injuries, he was just scared or frustrated. But the big cincher was that I was opening on of those large plastic garbage bags - which if you shake it open can make a loud popping sound. So the police show up at my home, I lived in an apartment building, and they say the neighbor heard me strike my son. They put the noise and crying together and called it abuse.

This wouldn't happen if we weren't trying to damn hard to protect everyone from every wrong every second of the day. The police tried to blow it off and say that I should be grateful that the neighbors are so consciensious. I don't agree. It was embarrassing and I was labeled a trouble maker in the community.

Parents have to walk on eggshells for fear of having their children taken from them. Parents are afraid to parent their children and more and more children are finding they can do as they please because no one can touch them in this day and age.

I don't want to be driving in my car, with someone tracking where I'm going. How long before they start to question why I'm going here and there the long way? How long before they question why I'm parking in all these out of the way places for short periods of time or long periods of time? It will get messy and it will be innocent people that have to pay for such security measures.

[Dewbacca]

Here is a delimma,

My daughter was a bed wetter... and her mother was constantly accusing me of abuse. I could not even accompany my daughter into the bathroom to clean her after wetting herself, because I would be accused of "molesting" her.

Once while she was in the bathroom half asleep and trying to get undressed to bathe... she fell against a heater and had a burn mark on her butt... then I was accused of burning her, AND neglect... and another investigation insued. DHR (Department of Human Resources) had me arrested "just in case", and removed the child from my care... and returned her to the care of a clinicaly registared Schitzophrenic (the accusing mother of my daughter) who still sings to her dead Mother.

Another time I was Arrested while picking up my daughter from school, on the accusation that I had beat both my ex and my daughter... without any proof... the accusation carries a mandatory 12 hour jail sentance... and charges were dropped the next week. Of course My ex had my daughter removed from my custody and it took me 6 months to get it straightened out... but I still have a record now, and have never raised my hand in anger against either of them.

So we should never EVER blindly trust any "System". Once in place they will be abused by people for their benefit.

[PurestLight]

Im sure the idea of chipping car plates started out as just a security thing for if ur car gets pinched.....but all these things evolve and become much more involved.....everything these days is open to expansion/corruption....LSD or whatever was prolly a legit drug when first 'invented' but stuff gets misused and abused. I for one am fed up of being told what I can safely eat and drink; safe levels of this and that; surely everyones different; surely were big and daft enough to make our own choices.....I dont like this Big Brother culture; it doesnt seem to work, just gets people defensive even if they have no need to be. Good sense, good manners, empathy, sympathy,common sense 'will out'. This government likes pigeon holeing; i spose it makes their job easier categorizing everyone. If I get categorized then I shall have to move me goal posts....

PS how the heck do you spell holing/holeing or is there no such word?????:blush:

[fynnla]

Haven't they already chipped up some peadophiles with the skin implants? Same token - A guy could possibly have straightened out (possibly I say) but his shopping centre is next door to a kindergarten... Madness ensues. My friends cat has a skin implant!!!

[mawil]

I voted yes. It's going too far. 1984. It's getting there. I don't want anyone tracking what I'm doing on my computer. (Even though it's perfectly innocent. Except for the naked men. :p ) It's just none of their business. Same goes for my car, my body, anything I buy, or my whatever. :leonardo:

[BandAide]

Anybody notice the article today about Mexico's Department of Justice and RFID implants. They are using them to grant access to secure areas of their buildings. And are looking forward to implants that have GPS.

It gets stranger and stranger....

[Snurfen]

whats the point of rfid'ing plates? Blaggers will just put a set of falsies on your car and knick it!

Don't need rfids for Big Bro to track me, I've got a mobile phone, so within any 100yd by 100yd square, I'm totally untraceable by the goons :rotflmao: !

BTW I often work on UK Government contracts, if they can't work out if you've cashed your benefit cheque, don't expect 'em to track your car. Remember the AWACS project, couldn't tell the difference between a MiG crossing the north sea and a motorbike riding up the M1 (main highway up the middle of England). God knows why we should be surprised at "blue on blue" accidents on the battlefield.