Gore's just whining now!

[Buzz]

Okay recount after recount has been done and no matter what Bush is still ahead..... Anyone else getting the feeling now that Gore is just being a sore loser and it's time for him to concede the election?

[Kimmygem]

I felt that way the first time he asked for the recount....

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[Buzz]

Well I think due to problems in Florida the recounts were necessary. However, now they are done and Bush is still ahead! So now the Gore team is going to court to dig up votes in counties that decided a recount wasn't necessary.. ugh!!!!

[Buzz]

Hey I never placed a whole lot of faith in the system to begin with.
Just look at who that darn canidates were to begin with.......

[Harrie]

Well, I just heard Gore is going to make a speech tonight. Will tune in, probably. I'll say this, some people are complaining about the Palm Beach County votes which didn't get included because they did not meet the 5:00 deadline Sunday.......they took Thanksgiving off, they could have easily met the deadline, they should have met the deadline, and they didn't meet the deadline, and I say that's just too bad! I think it's time for this to be over. Bush is the winner. Please don't anyone attack me, hehe! You should see where this election subject has gone on another board I frequent, OMG!!

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[tramtwo]

For the last time!! There is nothing wrong with Florida, or the way they count votes. The problem is with the media and the damn lawyers. I would be happy to accept a one vote lead, after all that's all it takes.

So lets see the votes counted for Gore were done right and the votes counted for Bush were done wrong? Give me a break.

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[w1che]

I say they should count until Gore wins. If they don't get enough next time lets keep doing the count until he does.
The game is not over until he says it is. I saw his speech & he had a lot more flags behind him than Bush did. It was like a truck load so he must be the next Prezidenta. http://www.cybertechhelp.com/ubb/cool.gif

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[Harrie]

Wish I had seen it, I missed it.

[Kimmygem]

Gore's just proving himself to be an ******* and a sore loser.....get over with it, accept defeat and go cry to your mama....sheesh

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[Junky]

I love it when you talk like that Kimmy. *smooch* http://www.cybertechhelp.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[tramtwo]

The fact that Gore can win more votes and still be declared the loser means that the system is flawed. This is a narrow view. The system is in place to give the 50 states a more equal voice. Without this system our president would be decided by a handful of large cities. How is that fair. We are a collection of states not just one entity that is the case with most countries.

So were not perfect...but dammit we've changed our system and we do not pretend to be Democracy's flagship nation. That is because you are not. With all its flaws in place the US has managed to *lead* the world towards peace. We also have the strength to kick a little ass when needed.

The fact that your courts can decide that although the counted number of votes may or may not be accurate they are going to go ahead and certify a winner is laughable.

The fact that all this is taking place shows that, once again all be it flawed, the system works. What would your alternative be, riots in the streets? The US is a triad of power, when the Executive and Legislative branches can not agree it is up to the Courts to decide the issue.

I will also point out that that Bush has had more votes then Gore in Florida, from the beginning, that has not changed.

Edit: I will agree with you the something needs to be done with the lawyers. I want to also say that while it may look to be a farse to the rest of the world, a lot of what this country is and how it works is not understood, after all it is the great experiment, and the world is a better place for having a great country like the US be a part of it.

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[whodo36]

Dahmna: Elections in countries about the size of Utah is not a good example of anything!

Whiner??? You weren't supposed to notice!

[Junky]

"I guess Kimmy's feeling some Texan loyalty to the govenor who wont think twice about executing disabled people at the drop of a stetson while at the same time critising Chinese Human rights abuses."

Now that ain't nice. G.W. is not the one that executed anyone. The LAW did.

"We here in the civilised world have long been somewhat aghast at the way your young society seems to be hellbent on destroying itself."

You can thank the DemocRATS for that.

"Weve watched on and seen the development of laywer culture which has progressed to a point where everyone is afraid to turn around without expecting to be sued for spilling someone's coffee."

Again, DemocRATS

"Why do the ~25% of Americans who voted not want their votes to matter?"

Explain please.

So otherwise, HOW YA DOING Damhna? http://www.cybertechhelp.com/ubb/smile.gif

[w1che]

Yes we need the rest of the world tell us how to run our country. If you have advice that's cool. I would live here over any other place in the world.We do have problems "Like any group of people living together" but we know how to over come them on our own. We are the world leader & will still be after this is all over. I know that burns some peoples hind end but get used to it

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[Idnew]

On original question. It's getting very old this recount and now the court battles. Give it up already Gore.

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[tigsnort]

Lest you think that the Democrats are the cheating devils and the Repubs are the righteous innocents in this scenario, consider the ballot tampering that recently took place by a Floridan Republican election official and a couple shady GOP operatives:

Story (http://www.tribnet.com/news/election2000/1128a61.html)

My point is, it's not such a simplistic fight, and Republicans don't necessarily deserve the white hat.

Yep, at this point Bush holds the electoral lead in Florida--but by a tiny miniscule thread. With thousands of ballots whose votes have yet to be registered, Gore has every right to ask for a full count. YOU KNOW if the situation were reversed, Bush would be doing the exact same thing. Why not count the votes? Why are conservatives in such a rush? What are they so afraid of?

Remember, the Florida electoral result is iffy (again, yes Bush is ahead by a very slim margin--but many votes haven't been counted). That aside, Gore & Bush came out virtually equal in the electoral race. Gore WON the popular vote. This is not a mandate for Bush. Not even close. His rush to install himself as America's next pres is premature and unelegant. There are legal issues that need to be settled before we as a country can say our new leader has earned his victory "fairly".



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[tramtwo]

I can't see how the fact that you live in a city should make your vote count less than someone in a poorly populated rural area. You continue to ignore the fact that we are a collection of states.
The presdent can and may be elected without Florida having a say, I think this is the aim of the democrats...

Damhna, As I had said and I don't think you understand we are a collection of states. And while the electoral college does not give any state more of an advantage it levels the playing field and causes the would be presidents to visit and try to please all the states. Within a state the people's vote count, the person within the state receives all of that states electoral vote (in most cases). So you see each vote does count. No matter we are a Representive Republic and we have voted in those that must decide the outcome, so the represention is still there. At least they have not taken to bombing women and children.

I am amazed at how people who do not live in the US can have such a strong opinion about our inner workings. Do you think this way after years of study, or after reading a few slanted articles?

Think about it like this. What has happen is a coin toss and the coin has landed on its edge, a very rare thing, to say the least. Do you know that every recounted ballot is looked at by about 6 different people before the vote is awarded/discarded? Sounds fair to me.

The rest of your comments are on the ugly side.... So...

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[tramtwo]

Let me add that all the votes have been counted, that happened the first night. All the non counted votes that are being talked about are and interpation of votes that were discarded either by machine or human. Please stop saying that all the votes were not counted, that is not the case.


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[w1che]

Tram, that is the only thing the Gore team can say. "The votes have not been counted." When the truth is what they are really saying is. "The votes have not been counted in the places we want them counded & the way we want them counted"
I guess there are a lot of uninformed people that believe that line but most of us don't & they can't understand that.

As for the comments made about my above post I will let that slide because it's a no win deal!!!

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[tigsnort]

It depends on what your definition of "counted" is. http://www.cybertechhelp.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

If your definition of "counted" is that all the ballots went through the counting machines, then yes, all the ballots were counted.

But that doesn't mean that all the votes were registered. The votes on many, many ballots could not be read by the machines for various reasons. It can only be up to human beings to determine what the value of these ballots are, since the machines obviously are not capable of that.

So to state that "all the votes have been counted" is NOT accurate. This is an undeniable fact.

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[oracle128]

Oh come on! Someone has to be the leader of the free world sometime! Can't they just arm-wrestle for it???? Better yet, they could play wrock paper scissors! Why can't all polititions just get along?????

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[whodo36]

Divine Right = I'm bigger = I'm stronger = I'm smarter = I'm more caring = I'm weaker = I'm more needy = etc.

Damhna: I'm ashamed of you! You're persona has been a formidable intellect with a touch of arrogance and a leaning toward the academic. I was amazed to see your ox gored. You seemed to be a researcher and an activist(?). My gramma might have said "He might just be making a little mischief." but I'll not forget what my gamps response would of been, "He might not.".
The issue - voting by the US electorate eg. the common citizens of the US. My reference to Utah was to make the point that the US population is large and diverse, distinctly non-homogenous, and due to the size of the country and its diversity, it will always be so.
Utah, like the smaller European countries, COULD be more like-minded than the general US population. Most of us, as I imagine is true of most of the world, want other people to quit interferring with our ability to eat; sleep; recreate; and help those we consider less fortunate. Your comments on our election tend to equate us with the prancing, preening, and PR of our politicians. WE are not the government nor the CIA.
I would love to see Germany, Italy, France, and Spain try to elect a common "President"!!!!

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[tramtwo]

All countable votes have been counted. Rules were in place on how to handle the misfits, now what is happening is a redefining of the rules. I still feel that the democrats hope to have Florida votes not count, if they delay long enough this will be the case, and 6,000,000 people will not have a voice.

[RosieWolf]

Of the 10,000 or so disputed ballots in Palm Beach County.. most had distinctly punched holes (no hanging or prego chads) for all the other races, but the presidential slots were unpunched.. so the demon-crats are saying that those people MUST HAVE WANTED TO VOTE for a president, because they punched all the other holes on the ballot.. BS. I know a doz people here locally who voted NONE OF THE ABOVE for president.. yet voted for the local races and local county/city stuff. Who is Al Gore to tell me or anyone who they can or can not vote for or that they HAVE TO punch a dang hole for someone when they dont WANT TO.

All those 'dimpled' ballots.. are people who DIDNT WANT TO CHOOSE!!! They had no trouble choosing in other races, so what makes anyone think they didn't have the strength left to punch out a hole for president?.. give me a break!!!!!!

Another news item that a lot of people probably missed (because it wasn't on national networks, only on MSNBC that I saw it), they interviewed felons and non-US citizens down in Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties and guess what??.. they are REGISTERED voters (democrat of course) and yet they have NO LEGAL RIGHT TO VOTE! The Supervisor of Elections in one south Florida county, DISREGARDED the list of registered voters in her county back in JUNE!, that was sent to her from Tallahassee... on her voter roll alone are approximately 20,000 people who are either convicted felons (who by law are not allowed to vote ), non-us citizens (one guy was from Cuba, here on a green card, and yet showed his voter registration), and many of the registered voters are DEAD! The news service estimates that more than 50% of the DEAD voters VOTED in the Nov 7th election!.. so how is that for fraud eh?

It's time for Gore to take Tipper and go HOME and cry in his blankie. He LOST. Get over it and get on with life, and let America do what she does best.. God Save Our President.

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