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lufbra
November 29th, 2000, 06:48 AM
By Jonathan ThompsonSunday 15 October 2000Babe Ruth, the legendary baseball star, might easily have spent his career hitting sixes instead of home runs. Yesterday, the first academic conference ever devoted to cricket was told that it, rather than baseball, was the first love of Americans.It was attracting huge crowds [in the USA] by the middle of the 19th century and, had it not been for the American Civil War in the 1860s, Joe DiMaggio and co might have hit their way into sporting history alongside the likes of Len Hutton and Denis Compton."Cricket was the most popular team sport in North America in the 1850s," said Tim Lockley, an expert in American history at Warwick University, where the conference !
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ok place.He said Americans and Canadians were playing organised cricket long before the Australians --- in fact, the first international sporting event was a match between the USA and Canada in 1844."Cricket was by far the biggest sport in this period," Dr Lockley went on. "Then the civil war started in 1861, just when it was reaching its peak of popularity. The sport became a victim of that war."He said there had been an English tour of North America in 1859,led by cricketing legends John Lillywhite and John Wisden whowent on to found the hallowed Wisden Cricketer's Almanac.For one game of that tour, against the Canadians in Montreal,more than 25,000 spectators turned up to watch the English thrash the opposition by eight wickets."Crowds this size were almost unheard of for a sporting event in the 19th century anywhere in the world," Dr Lockley said. "This was a testament !
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the amazing popularity of cricket on the North American continent. There was nothing that could compete with it as a crowd-puIler."In fact, Dr Lockley said, the Americans had serious designs on becoming a world force in cricket themselves. It was they who funded the 1859 tour, paying the English players generous sums of money to tour their country.Dr Lockley said : "Such was the competitive nature and popularity of cricket in North America, the Canadians and Americans were prepared to pay substantial sums of moneyin order to play the best in the world."They had real cricketing ambitions and there was a very real desire to learn from the best in the world."Unfortunately, it appears, they weren't up to scratch. The English team, despite sportingly allowing them to field 22 players to their 11, were victorious in every single match,often with more than an innings to spare.T!
he [American] Civil War appears to have killed off the American enthusiasm for cricket, which was overtaken by the previouslyobscure sport of baseball --- not least because so many of their young cricket players were killed.

tramtwo
November 29th, 2000, 06:53 AM
I did not know that. Kinda glad it never took hold.

lufbra
November 29th, 2000, 06:57 AM
Wow, you read fast Tram, but why are you glad it didn't take hold???

Dave.

ironside
November 29th, 2000, 07:06 AM
thats just not cricket old chap, its baseball Americas favorite past time

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whodo36
November 29th, 2000, 07:06 AM
Bustles and mutton-chops were real neat once too!

tramtwo
November 29th, 2000, 07:06 AM
Guess it is the ugly american in me, I don't like anything that we can't take credit for. lol When espn first started in the 80's I did put forth some effort to try and understand the game. It is to gentlemanly<----yikes

You have to understand the nature of a true american. We think that all problems can be solved ala John Wayne, and that the Babe was IT! Call it ego,from being a rag tag group that stomped the empire. So in many ways although it can be disputed baseball, basketball, and football, are the most American of sports, just the way it should be.

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smurfy
November 29th, 2000, 12:26 PM
Jeez Dave, can you imagine what cricket would be like if Americans had been a power for 150 years?

1) Batsmen wouldn't just need pads and a box, try full kevlar bodyarmour. (The bodyline series would have resulted in fatalaties!)
2) the ball would be smaller and harder and not made of leather so it would not wear. There would be no such thing as slow bowling, no Shane Warne etc!
3) It would be played on artificial surfaces year-round, normally in indoor arenas
4) Michael Jordan Would have been the greatest fast bowler of all time, taking 200 test wickets, 750 one day wickets and 500 20 over shoot-out wickets.
5) 20 over shoot-out wickets???? You don't think Americans would ever be able to concentrate on anything that lasts 100 overs at least do you. the One-day match would have been invented around 1910 and the 20 over shoot-out in the 1950's.

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tramtwo
November 29th, 2000, 12:54 PM
I have never been so confused by anything written in English, in all my life. http://www.cybertechhelp.com/ubb/smile.gif

lufbra
November 29th, 2000, 02:03 PM
I guess you're right Smurfy, and I dread to think how they would fit in the TV commercials, and what about the time outs!!

Dave.