Got a Yahoo free email address?

[Spider]

Got Yahoo free email? Want to use Outlook, Outlook Express, or any other email client to access
POP and SMTP for your Yahoo email instead of the laborious Web based interface Yahoo forces
free email users to use?

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/yahoopops/ypops-win-0.7.exe?download

YahooPOPS is a free program that interacts with your email client to allow POP3 access to your
Yahoo account. Simple to use (follow directions provided in the download) and enjoy seamless
rapid access to your Yahoo email.

I am having "issues" with Yahoo and they are ignoring me so I promised them I'd pass on the
wonderful ease and use of YahooPOPS throughout the Web. Save yourself $20.00 per year
(this is what Yahoo wants to access POP3 their way).

YahooPOPS is perfectly legal and Yahoo has no issues with YahooPOPS at all. Don't have a
Yahoo free email address? Sign up and get one.
http://mail.yahoo.com/?.intl=us

I'm going to be bumping this thread alot so bear with me.

[renegade600]

The software is legal but to use it to steal a service is not - just like p2p software. Yahoo turned off pop3 email service on their free accounts in 2002 for a reason.

IMO, those who use it for their free yahoo accounts is stealing from yahoo and to advertise it here is a violation of cth's tos.

[PurestLight]

I have AOL (so cant use outlook by default) but also a Yahoo e-mail addy. can I use this? (Whatever it is? Im an interminably curious person)I understand NOTHING of this POP stuff its all a complete blank *shrugs* do I need tuition/counselling etc

*feels stupid for asking* :blush:

[oink]

I wonder if that can be made to work with any other flavors of webmail? I did bookmark the site to look for other goodies. Pop mail is usually faster. It downloads all mail all at once. You can use your own virus checker on it. You can download it and then work with it off line. The big advantage, as I see it, to webmail is that you can easily check it anywhere from any computer that's online.

[dammit]

Well done for pointing this out spider... sod yahoo.... bows and arrows against the lightening might work! :wave:

[hypnotizeminds]

The software is legal but to use it to steal a service is not - just like p2p software. Yahoo turned off pop3 email service on their free accounts in 2002 for a reason.

IMO, those who use it for their free yahoo accounts is stealing from yahoo and to advertise it here is a violation of cth's tos.
Bad, Spider. Bad. ;)

I downloaded it, and quickly after, Spybot found 'n-Case' and removed it. Related?

Either way, I'm not going to use it.

[lufbra]

The software is legal but to use it to steal a service is not

That's kinda like an oxymoron, since the program only works with Yahoo mail!!!

Dan, Here are some links to show that this program is legit (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=is+yahoopops+legal), now it's your turn to show/prove that it isn't!! :)

I'm pretty darned sure that a company as big as Yahoo would quickly "squash" such a program like this, if they felt that the creators were violating their service. Yet Yahoopops has been around for quite some time, been through several upgrades, and Yahoo has done nothing about "killing" the program off. Dan, can you please explain why they are doing nothing about this? ;)

I've been using this program for quite a while now, in fact it was Spider who "led" me to it, as for spyware, well all I can say is that if indeed it came with spyware, my spyware programs would surely have cleaned them out, and the program still runs fine. :)

[Spider]

The software is legal but to use it to steal a service is not - just like p2p software.
It does not "steal a service". It's totally legit and Yahoo has never brought any action against YahooPOPS.
Don't you think they (Yahoo) would be the best judge if they felt they were being cheated?

Yahoo tells free email customers if they want POP3 service from "Yahoo" they can pay $20.00 per year.
Accessing your free email when you've agreed to their TOS (terms of service) entitles you to access
that email in any way you want as long as it doesn't infringe on their TOS. Yahoo's TOS does not make
any mention of accessing POP3 outside of their service. If Yahoo TOS doesn't state third party infringes
then how can you "invent" your own interpretation of the Yahoo TOS when their TOS is clear devoid of
how one accesses POP3.

As far as P2P illegalities are concerned...you'll love this, it's not illegal to download music nor movies.
Only in America is it illegal because RIAA and MPAA petitioned the federal court to create a special
law for Americans. When RIAA and MPAA approached the Canadian Federal court the court told them
to go stuff themselves. We have a privacy protection act here in Canada and MPAA and RIAA tried
to get an amendment to our law.

As long as "no reward" is asked or gained for music it's totally legal to pass songs on to whom ever
you want. As for the movies, they are taped in theaters and there is no copy disclaimer in theaters.
So until the MPAA gets copy disclaimers into every movie credit this will remain legal in all countries.
No one has ever been arrested or charged for taping movies and distributing them for "no reward".

It's important to follow the law to-the-letter. You can't make up your own on how you "feel" about it.
I downloaded it, and quickly after, Spybot found 'n-Case' and removed it. Related?
Nope, sorry. No spyware in YaooPOPS. I noticed in another thread you claimed you contracted spyware.
You need to understand your hidden _restore folder is holding your spyware and until you manually
get into it you'll keep regenerating it. N-Case has adopted Vx2's self restoring techniques, that's why
you still have N-Case.

It's not nice to blame spyware on software when your unsure.
also a Yahoo e-mail addy. can I use this?
Yes, that is exactly what it's designed for...Yahoo email accounts.
I understand NOTHING of this POP stuff
It's quite simple really. POP3 is email inbound to you, when you send email it goes out SMTP.
All ISPs have a POP3 server and a SMTP server. You merely add the ISPs POP3 server name
and SMTP server name to your Outlook Express account set up.

The whole easy of using an email client is the point of using Outlook Express as apposed to
Opening a browser
going to the sign in page
entering your username
entering your password
clicking on the inbox
to do the same (check your email) in Outlook you click once on a button...that's it.
What's even easier is you start Outlook Express the minute your computer is started, if and email is
sent to you your speaker goes "ding" and if you want you set a popup box to tell you as well...so you
don't click anything...when email is sent to you it's just there in front of your face, there is nothing
easier to email than using an email client like Outlook.

[hypnotizeminds]

Nope, sorry. No spyware in YaooPOPS. I noticed in another thread you claimed you contracted spyware.
You need to understand your hidden _restore folder is holding your spyware and until you manually
get into it you'll keep regenerating it. N-Case has adopted Vx2's self restoring techniques, that's why
you still have N-Case.

It's not nice to blame spyware on software when your unsure.
Whatever you say! :)

All I know is that Spybot hasn't found a thing in about a month (go me!) and then I installed that and ran Spybot just to be safe and there it was. But I don't really give a damn, it's not a big deal.

[Spider]

But I don't really give a damn, it's not a big deal.
For me I don't want anyone installing anything on my computers period.

Gathering surfing habits, stealing personal information, selling my computer info to whomever...
...what ever process any particular spyware is involved in they can do like everyone else and
ask me first if they want to invade my privacy.

Not to mention the worst of all and that stealing my CPU cycles. I got the need-4-speed and
nobody is puttin' sugar in my gas tank!

[renegade600]

[QUOTE=Spider]It does not "steal a service". It's totally legit and Yahoo has never brought any action against YahooPOPS.
Don't you think they (Yahoo) would be the best judge if they felt they were being cheated? [\quote]

As I said the software itself is legal but using it to steal is wrong. It can also be used to get the paid service which makes using the software is legal.

You cannot go after all legal software with valid applications because it can also be used to steal stuff.

IMO anyone who uses it to get their pop3 free is stealing from Yahoo.

This is a no win argument and it is not the first time this discussion was held. Go ahead and use it if you wish, that is your choice.

[renegade600]

That's kinda like an oxymoron, since the program only works with Yahoo mail!!!

Dan, Here are some links to show that this program is legit (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=is+yahoopops+legal), now it's your turn to show/prove that it isn't!! :)

I'm pretty darned sure that a company as big as Yahoo would quickly "

And I can come up with just as many links saying warez is legal. It is legal software. As I said before it can be use to download pop3 from paid accounts also. This makes it legal software with a legal application.

I just thought of something, your first and only post since the first week of february just to challenge me. If this is what it takes to get you to stay put here I wonder ...:rotflmao:

[Spider]

Warez is illegal. Software carries copyright disclaimers and software passed with serial numbers
that were not paid for, cracked software, and key generators blatantly abuse those copyrights.
There is no comparison of warez to YahooPOPS.

It is a win argument you are just failing to comprehend that YahooPOPS is a legitimate organization
which carries their own copyright and disclaimer.

Anyone who is paying for Yahoo POP3 service doesn't need YahooPOPS. It would be ridiculous to put
something in-between a client application like Outlook or Eudora or whatever. They deal with POP3
themselves.

Your not making any sense and are just trying to tarnish a perfectly good and legitimate software
company which has been operating for many years and has millions of downloads.

IMO anyone who uses it to get their pop3 free is stealing from Yahoo
Your entitled to your opinions but using the word "stealing" is trying to besmirch a legitimate company
and service they provide.

Your not getting that Yahoo themselves disagree with you.

That would be like saying your a thief when you take that coupon from that "take-one-free" display. It
makes no sense and those are only beliefs born from imaginary fabrications. That's also like saying
signing up for Yahoo free email is stealing bandwidth...like where is this idea born from but an imagination.
Like you say, "in your opinion" and this is not Yahoos opinion nor YahooPOPS opinion nor all the downloaders
of each of those services.

Righteousness needs basis and righteousness without basis is a dangerous thing. People like you burned
witches in the 1600s....your just looking for any reason to backup what you claim and there is no reason
that exists so you make one up.

[renegade600]

Warez is illegal. Software carries copyright disclaimers and software passed with serial numbers
that were not paid for, cracked software, and key generators blatantly abuse those copyrights.
There is no comparison of warez to YahooPOPS.

It is a win argument you are just failing to comprehend that YahooPOPS is a legitimate organization
which carries their own copyright and disclaimer.

Anyone who is paying for Yahoo POP3 service doesn't need YahooPOPS. It would be ridiculous to put
something in-between a client application like Outlook or Eudora or whatever. They deal with POP3
themselves.

Your not making any sense and are just trying to tarnish a perfectly good and legitimate software
company which has been operating for many years and has millions of downloads.


Your entitled to your opinions but using the word "stealing" is trying to besmirch a legitimate company
and service they provide.

Your not getting that Yahoo themselves disagree with you.

That would be like saying your a thief when you take that coupon from that "take-one-free" display. It
makes no sense and those are only beliefs born from imaginary fabrications. That's also like saying
signing up for Yahoo free email is stealing bandwidth...like where is this idea born from but an imagination.
Like you say, "in your opinion" and this is not Yahoos opinion nor YahooPOPS opinion nor all the downloaders
of each of those services.

Righteousness needs basis and righteousness without basis is a dangerous thing. People like you burned
witches in the 1600s....your just looking for any reason to backup what you claim and there is no reason
that exists so you make one up.


See this (http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/pop/pop-40.html)

The ability to access Yahoo! Mail via a POP3 email client (such as Outlook or Outlook Express) is only available to customers of our premium Yahoo! Mail Plus (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=8789/*http://mailplus.mail.yahoo.com) service. If you have not purchased (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=8789/*http://mailplus.mail.yahoo.com) the Yahoo! Mail Plus service, you will be unable to retrieve messages via an email client. To determine whether or not you have purchased this service, please visit the My Services (http://ordering.yahoo.com/) page. If you have purchased the service, but continue to experience errors, then please visit our POP help pages (http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/pop/index.html)."

Where does it say oh yeah, you can get it free via ypops! Show me in yahoo where they condone its use.

You can justity it anyway you wish but imo you are wrong. Why yahoo is not fighting back, who knows the way of big business sometimes. Maybe they are keeping a log of those who is getting their email illegally and will eventually do something about it. Maybe it is such a small percentage of users that its not worth the cost of taking action. Bust as I said before it is legal software since it can be use to download email from paid pop3 accounts.

As far as my comments about warez, you have a double standard. Many who uses warez believe in fair use just like the maker of ypops! Where is the difference there. There is no small sin.

I will no longer respond to this thread. I will not change my mind and will not change yours. You use what you feel comfortable using.

[Spider]

Where does it say oh yeah, you can get it free via ypops! Show me in yahoo where they condone its use
You have not provided any proof, you've only given a link to Yahoo trying to upsell to customers. My proof
is there is no mention of disallowing use of accessing POP3 and SMTP from a free Yahoo account and the fact
Yahoo has taken no action against YahooPOPS because they are within the realm of legal. Did you read
YahooPOPS statement at all?
We do not go against the license agreements of Yahoo! Mail. This application is completely legitimate
and well within the realms of legal software.
http://yahoopops.sourceforge.net
I say it's legit, YahooPOPS says it's legit, and Yahoo has never taken an action against them.
Why yahoo is not fighting back, who knows
Well there's some proof :rolleyes:
Maybe they are keeping a log of those who is getting their email illegally and will eventually do something about it.
More assumptions with no facts.
as I said before it is legal software since it can be use to download email from paid pop3 accounts
Show me where in Outlook you add YahooPOPS.
As far as my comments about warez, you have a double standard.
Your arguments are weak at best. Where your reasoning comes from is quite puzzling, you stand on a point
and don't respond with proof to back up your claims and then just keep repeating things you've already said.
Diplomatic discussions have to ability to evolve into new territories as the conversation evolves. You just
keep repeating the same proofless nonsense...sheesh!
There is no small sin
How did I know your a bible-thumper, because your rhetoric is the same tone as religion...baseless belief.
I will no longer respond to this thread
Beaten people use that phrase to try and save face. If you really believe in what you say you dig up some
proof otherwise it's just your belief alone and you shouldn't have gotten involved ina legal conversation
in the first place. That kind of garbage may work in your church circles but it doesn't wash in the real world.
You called me on YahooPOPS's legality and you don't have anything to prove it, I have provided more than
enough proof instead of just my words. If this was a boxing match you'd be counted out at 10.

No facts and a cemented view of what's right and wrong regardless of the law and what is staring you
in the face. I on the other hand follow the law and only the law...what is right and what is wrong is irrelevant
in a legal conversation.

[dammit]

Now you gotta reply to that Dan!!!... This thread is better than the UK soaps. :rotflmao:

I never had Dan down as a God Bod.... maybe I'm wrong?

[smurfy]

YPops is for Yahoo POP Mail only (http://yahoopops.sourceforge.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=FAQ&file=index&myfaq=yes&id_cat=9)

Does YahooPOPs! work with Hotmail or other email sites?

YahooPOPs! works o*nly with Yahoo! Mail . It does not work with any other email site including Hotmail. There are no plans to support other email sites.

And how about this...(my emphasis)
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Yahoo! grants you a personal, non-transferable and non-exclusive right and license to use the object code of its Software on a single computer; provided that you do not (and do not allow any third party to) copy, modify, create a derivative work of, reverse engineer, reverse assemble or otherwise attempt to discover any source code, sell, assign, sublicense, grant a security interest in or otherwise transfer any right in the Software. You agree not to modify the Software in any manner or form, or to use modified versions of the Software, including (without limitation) for the purpose of obtaining unauthorized access to the Service. You agree not to access the Service by any means other than through the interface that is provided by Yahoo! for use in accessing the Service.
In case you were wondering, that comes from the Free YahooMail sign-up screen as well as the full T.O.S page.

Why hasn't Yahoo done something about it? Who knows. Maybe they've had legal opinion that they would be unlikely to win the case - it's pure conjecture but the fact remains, YPOPs was built for the express purpose of bypassing the interface provided by Yahoo! to get access to the free version of their mail after they prevented free POP access in 2002. Usage of it breaches the Yahoo! T.O.S.

[hypnotizeminds]

Dan, if I were you, I wouldn't waste my time arguing with Spider. Not only is he right (which doesn't really matter anyways), he feels a lot more strongly about this than you.

I'd stick with not responding any further.

[smurfy]

Will just add here that the "they haven't taken any action against me so I must not be doing anything wrong" argument is patently nonsense.
That's like saying "everything is legal until you get caught".

We don't need to know WHY Yahoo! hasn't done anything about it. It's their choice whether to enforce every last line of their own TOS, not ours.

[Spider]

Yahoo! grants you a personal, non-transferable and non-exclusive right and license to use the object code of its Software on a single computer; provided that you do not (and do not allow any third party to) copy, modify, create a derivative work of, reverse engineer, reverse assemble or otherwise attempt to discover any source code, sell, assign, sublicense, grant a security interest in or otherwise transfer any right in the Software. You agree not to modify the Software in any manner or form, or to use modified versions of the Software, including (without limitation) for the purpose of obtaining unauthorized access to the Service. You agree not to access the Service by any means other than through the interface that is provided by Yahoo! for use in accessing the Service.
That's a standard anti-decompile agreement...and the part you've highlighted has been covered before
by others when YahooPOPS first appeared. YahooPOPS does not access the Web based free service
therefore they have not infringed. POP3 and SMTP are not available in the Web based (browser access)
free service so no infringement takes place.

Yahoo does not have a specifically designed TOS aimed at YahooPOPS, their disclaimer is a carbon
copy of disclaimers other large companies use.
http://www.infolinkca.com/?pg=termsofservice
http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/service/terms/wireless.html
http://www.bigado.com/tos
If their lawyers charged them a large penny to construct that document then the only criminals in this
whole mix is the Yahoo law team who plagiarized another legal team's work.

Remember, this is the law and the law is as unforgiving as a computer is. Yahoo would need to modify
their TOS (their TOS has been unchanged) to include wording specifically dealing with free members
accessing POP3 and SMTP exclusively. And, since changing TOS automatically waivers
all existing Yahoo free email members then Yahoo would not only have to alter/modify their TOS but
they would have to spam every member and close their accounts until the new TOS agreement was
rechecked and agreed to...that [my friend] is a big can-o-worms.

Will just add here that the "they haven't taken any action against me so I must not be doing anything wrong"
argument is patently nonsense. That's like saying "everything is legal until you get caught".
Your barking up the same tree as renegade600 was smurfy, the point in your above statement is that there is no
agreement broken by the Yahoo free email member not YahooPOPS. Both are above board and within the realm
of the Yahoo TOS. No agreement broken = nothing to get caught for.

[smurfy]

I take your point but I still have to disagree.
Regardless of where Yahoo sourced it's TOS agreement, the terms are pretty clear.
The "Service" is defined previously in the agreement and for Free Mail users it means their email account.

YahooPOPS does not access the Web based free service therefore they have not infringed.
Frankly I believe the exact OPPOSITE applies. If YPOPs DID access the mail via the web-based free service, it would comply with the TOS (i.e. the user is still accessing their web-based email through the web-based interface supplied by Yahoo!).
To be honest, I thought that's what YPOPS actually did do. Maybe I need to look again. As far as I knew, it emulated a POP server for your mail client and "emulated" a http client to Yahoo!

Remember, this is the law and the law is as unforgiving as a computer is. Yahoo would need to modify their TOS (their TOS has been unchanged) to include wording specifically dealing with free members accessing POP3 and SMTP exclusively. And, since changing TOS automatically waivers all existing Yahoo free email members then Yahoo would not only have to alter/modify their TOS but
they would have to spam every member and close their accounts until the new TOS agreement was rechecked and agreed to...that [my friend] is a big can-o-worms.
Again. READ the TOS about their ability to change their TOS...
Line ONE:
Welcome to Yahoo!. Yahoo! provides its service to you, subject to the following Terms of Service ("TOS"), which may be updated by us from time to time without notice to you.
...
22. NOTICE
Yahoo! may provide you with notices, including those regarding changes to the TOS, by either email, regular mail, or postings on the Service.
:)

[Spider]

I take your point but I still have to disagree.
And I yours. You do your homework smurfy ;)
(i.e. the user is still accessing their web-based email through the web-based interface supplied by Yahoo!).
To be honest, I thought that's what YPOPS actually did do. Maybe I need to look again. As far as I knew, it
emulated a POP server for your mail client and "emulated" a http client to Yahoo!
I would be sure Yahoo's Web based interface just access the POP3 and SMTP servers itself. Unless they
were using sendmail out of Apache or some other server based internal email system but with
the numbers of users Yahoo is dealing with I doubt very much they could use anything but dedicated POP3
and SMTP servers.

Again. READ the TOS about their ability to change their TOS...
Again that's a standard TOS provision. They can write anything they want but a 2 party agreement does
require both parties to be aware of any alterations or changes. This is most likely why Yahoo has not
proceeded against YahooPOPS, contract lawyers and IP (Intellectual Property) lawyers are two different
beasts.

I can only assume because I am in no part involved with Yahoo but if I were a guessing man I'd say Yahoo
writes their TOS and provides the email service and after that fact YahooPOPS shows up...then Yahoo
puts it to their IP lawyers that they want a cease and desist against YahooPOPS...the IP lawyers inform
Yahoo as to the corner they are painted into because of the wording of their TOS and from there who
knows what decisions were made as to why no action against YahooPOPS.

YahooPOPS has done their homework on this to be sure. there is a provision for name infringement.
Yahoo is a registered intellectual property name and you can't use the name Yahoo in anything unless it has
a 33.3% alternate in the original registered name. The name YahooPOPS is a 55.5% alternate in the name
Yahoo so Yahoo can not even proceed against YahooPOPS for name infringement.

I tell ya, whom ever is at the helm of YahooPOPS is no dummy. They can provide the POP3 SMTP service
to Yahoo and at this point in time there is nothing Yahoo can do about it.

About the only thing renegade600 said that was a good stab at reality was "its not worth the cost of taking action".
Perhaps (and again I am only guessing) it's closer that it's not just the cost of the action but they have to pay
different lawyers to alter the TOS as well as pay programmers to create a function-block to deal with the
existing versions of YahooPOPS already downloaded.

Most any other company would have just put on-salary programmers to create a specific function-block on
the POP3 and SMTP servers. The box Yahoo has in them is they can't do that because of the remote access
function Yahoo likes to operate under makes them unable to do that otherwise there would be an interrupt
on the paying POP3 access customers. It would require them to totally alter their email servers and since
they have servers (multiple) in just about every country on the planet, this makes it an unrealistic decision.

I have emailed Yahoo a few times on this hoping to get some feedback on their views of YahooPOPS but
every time I use the word YahooPOPS in an email to them I never get a response. This usually
indicates a legal situation and the word around the Yahoo offices would probably be "no comments".

[smurfy]

I think we're getting closer to agreement (damn it, it was just getting interesting)

Maybe they've had legal opinion that they would be unlikely to win the case - it's pure conjecture...
then Yahoo puts it to their IP lawyers that they want a cease and desist against YahooPOPS...the IP lawyers inform Yahoo as to the corner they are painted into because of the wording of their TOS and from there who knows what decisions were made as to why no action against YahooPOPS.
:D

Anyways, I'm going to do a bit more digging @ sourceforge because I did your job for you here
To be honest, I thought that's what YPOPS actually did do. Maybe I need to look again. As far as I knew, it emulated a POP server for your mail client and "emulated" a http client to Yahoo! and shot my own argument down in flames ;)
From YPops

How do we do it you ask? Well, this application is more like a gateway. It provides a POP3 server interface at one end to talk to email clients and an HTTP client (browser) interface at the other which allows it to talk to Yahoo!

BTW, I think they've smartened up about the use (or should we say mis-use) of the Yahoo! name and have rebranded YPOPs, no longer Yahoopops.

[Spider]

It provides a POP3 server interface at one end to talk to email clients and an HTTP client
(browser) interface at the other which allows it to talk to Yahoo!
Ah! I should have read that myself. I assumed they were accessing the POP3 servers themselves. I was wrong.
This makes sense as to why Yahoo can't proceed against them, there is nothing to proceed against.

BTW, I think they've smartened up about the use (or should we say mis-use) of the Yahoo! name and have rebranded YPOPs, no longer Yahoopops.
Ah! again. I upgraded to version 7 about a week ago and I didn't even notice the name change. I thought you
were calling it YPOPS to shorten it :)

I think we've both been enlighten a bit here. Thanks for that smurfy.

[smurfy]

Yeah some argument huh, we were BOTH wrong!

Interesting comment from a YPOPs developer here (http://yahoopops.sourceforge.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1939)
I have yet to hear anyone having their account terminated for using ypops. They have not even contacted us developers to stop development, and their suppport staff knows of ypops and they have even sent people to this web site when they got calls for ypops support. So they know ypops exists and they are not trying to shut it down. They probably feel it's legal. Either way, they seem to be fine with it.

I guess to draw a parallel, it's similar to the multi-protocol IM clients (Trillian, GAIM etc) although thay aren't providing access to otherwise PAID services, the only way Yahoo!, MSN and the likes have of blocking their use is not by shutting them down but by changing their chat protocol/code to make the Trillians of this world not work (at least until Trillian patches their product).
Yahooo! especially has a history of doing this and the fact that they haven't done the same with YPops either means they haven't figured out how yet (unlikely I would think) or they don't think it's worth it. Looking at the way YPOPs actually works, I doubt Yahoo has any way of even knowing who uses it and how much $$ they are actually losing (or rather, not up-selling).

[lufbra]

I will no longer respond to this thread.

So you're "passing up" on a great opportunity to raise your post count without making it look so blatantly obvious!!! :eek:

[hypnotizeminds]

If this was a boxing match you'd be counted out at 10.
So you're "passing up" on a great opportunity to raise your post count without making it look so blatantly obvious!!! :eek:
You guys must have some sick fetish involving picking on Dan. :nope:

Everyone is entitled to voice their opinions, whether or not they can back them up. If they are wrong, know-it-alls like Spider will point it out, but there is no reason to try and make yourself feel like a bigger man in the process. Kind of pathetic if you ask me. :disgust:

[Spider]

know-it-alls like Spider
Oh shut up.

[Spider]

So you're "passing up" on a great opportunity to raise your post count without making it look so blatantly obvious!!! :eek:
Pfft. :)

[Spider]

Yahooo! especially has a history of doing this and the fact that they haven't done the same with YPops either means they haven't figured out how yet (unlikely I would think) or they don't think it's worth it.
Could very well be. Maybe they are in the motion of doing something about it but just aren't ready to
put a cease and desist out yet. We can only guess since we aren't part of Yahoo. Until then I will
use it until otherwise notified by Yahoo or YPOPS.

[bAdWaYz]

I have not gotten into this thus far because the topic really didn't matter to me personally but I must say its drawn me in. I still don't really care if ypop's is or is not in breach of yahoo's TOS. I do however think I know why they aren't having a fit to shut it down. After reading all the posts here and reading up on how ypop's works I agree 100% with Spider and Smurfy. The same way that Trillian and GAIM make use of popular chat protocols so does this make use of mail systems. Yahoo systems are pop3 and web based both tied into postfix running under FreeBSD. If yahoo wanted to take action to block app's such as ypop's they would have to ditch a well known, stable, and secure mail system. If any of you run your own mail server then you already know how difficult it can be to find a system of MTA's and protocols that make everyone happy, while at the same time being stable and secure. So to say it may not be worth it for yahoo to take action isn't that big of a leap in thinking. Afterall we aren't talking about a chat protocol here we are talking about email standards of wich there is a limit. So this is my 2 cents and if anyone agrees cool if not awesome. I think its great that we at least can all express ourself here without fear.

[lufbra]

You guys must have some sick fetish involving picking on Dan. :nope:

LOL, the same thing could be said towards Dan and his post count!! ;)

But in all seriousness, we're not exactly picking on Dan, it's just that sometimes he kinda takes on more than he can handle. :)

Everyone is entitled to voice their opinions, whether or not they can back them up. If they are wrong, know-it-alls like Spider will point it out, but there is no reason to try and make yourself feel like a bigger man in the process. Kind of pathetic if you ask me. :disgust:

know-it-alls like Spider

Hmmmm, here's you "chastizing folks" for picking on others, I guess that for you, the above is exempt!! :dizzy:

Kind of pathetic if you ask me.

You said it!!! :wave:

[Spider]

Yahoo systems are pop3 and web based both tied into postfix running under FreeBSD.
If yahoo wanted to tack action to block app's such as ypop's they would have to ditch a well known, stable,
and secure mail system. If any of you run your own mail server then you already know how difficult it can
be to find a system of MTA's and protocols that make everyone happy, while at the same time being stable
and secure.
Very good point bAdWaYz. And since priority 1 [these day] is keeping spammers out of creating an account
clone for generating spams, and holding spammable address databases to draw from, this would make the
most sense as to why going after clients of YPOPS is just way too much to deal with.

I agree this is most likely why the peace between YPOPS and Yahoo. Yahoo may have even sent off a polite
email to YPOPS requesting they alter their name from YahooPOPS to something less associated to the trademark.

You know, for a bunch of people who don't even work at Yahoo we are pretty close to solving the entire puzzle here.
More minds are much quicker at solving these puzzles than one mind. I love it when a cooperation gels. :) :)
Kind of pathetic if you ask me.
I really wanted to say more about that remark that was made lufbra but I thought it best to let sleeping dogs lay.
I left that to a second chance for the little fella. ;) ;)

[Spider]

Yahoo was making some attempts at recoding the encryption log on for free email users.
They were flooded with access complaints from the paying members so it took them about
4 days to iron that out.

The result of all that is they could only alter the encryption protocol for free email users and now
if your using YPOPS you have to change the security protocol from MD5 to HTTPS.

So in YPOPS options its under...
Advanced Preferences
Security
Login using secure {HTTPS} mode

You will also have to exit and restart YPOPS to enable it properly.
btw, YPOPS is up to version 0.7.2


Another message from your friendly Yahoo nemesis...

...............///\oo/\\\

[bAdWaYz]

I wouldn't really say going from MD4 to HTTPS is a big deal both are widely used standards so yahoo isn't really doing much there but woohooo go yahoo!

[Dodge]

Well, Personally I say screw Yahoo. I've never liked their email service anyways. Ypops sounds like a good Idea and who knows, Yahoo may even end up purchasing it sometime.

Dan, Spider, Lufbra, and all the ones I've missed. :p

[Spider]

Dan, Spider, Lufbra, and all the ones I've missed
Mr. Dodge <salute>
I've never liked their email service anyways
The thing for me was I had one from them since about 1993 (or there abouts). Always had
the POP3 and always used the POP3 service, never used the Web based one. Then the announcement
one day to "buck up" or use a browser was pretty much the first time something like that (free then
taken away) was implemented. Soon after all the free ISPs (dialup) started dropping like flys and
the ones that stayed started limiting your connection times. Then soon they were all gone except
for Netzero. They all wanted some ridiculous amount of money as in pennies (yea, don't anyone preach about
millions of users).

Most of them died anyway but I'm sure the reason Yahoo stayed around was they had an enormous bankroll
and were one of the few Web companies on the NASDAQ.

It was kind of like Yahoo birthed the idea of "since the dot-bomb hurt us, we'll milk the free users for some small change".

I can understand the costs of providing servers and bandwidth [and all that] but when everything is
already in place (systems and staff) and you start asking free users for 5.4¢ per day to access POP3
it just seemed so...petty.

Google, on the other hand, is going opposite. Their Gmail came out only late last year and it was POP3 from
the get go. I couldn't believe all the hype about the ads Google announce for gmail, who knows maybe
some Yahoo generated fear-of-competition press leak stuff.

Yahoo in the last 4 years has been behaving like Bill Gates did in the 80's. Google gets big, they get so Big
the get bigger than Yahoo...Google goes public and Yahoo wants to "join forces" with them. Google agrees
(dumbest move Google ever made in my opinion) and two years later Yahoo gets out of the contract with
Google early. I assume once they had all the inside info they could muster from Google teams they thought
they'd bust out on their own again with some A1 search engine technology and put the hurt on the other
engines.

Bill Gates did it to Steve Jobs the same way back when Microsoft and Apple were young. Bill approaches
Steve and says "We (M$) want to join your team here at Apple". Steve thinks it's a good idea and everyone
around him tells him he's nuts because M$ is the competition not buddies. Jobs found out later that Gates
stole his operating system from the Macintosh they gave Microsoft to write programs on.

Anyway I'm rambling on about 80's comp company history when this is a Yahoo thread ;)

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