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xp pro defrag help
hi i run the pc pitstop test and it tells me to gefrag so i did and run the test again and it says to do a defrag as soon as possible as i have just done one i have avg anyivirus and quick test keeps finding boot sector virus but when i look at the logs it says no virus could these problems be caused by a virus
thanks for any help Last edited by andygaskell; April 27th, 2004 at 02:03 PM. |
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Hi buddy...yes they could...Download 'Hijack This!'create a new folder and put hijack into it Unzip, doubleclick HijackThis.exe, Check for updates first by clicking the config then tools buttons. and hit "Scan".
When the scan is finished, click "Save Log", and copy and paste it in a reply. http://mjc1.com/files/merijn/HijackThis.exe It will show what's running on your computer...Don't make any changes until someone checks it out. Also Open up AVG>test results click on the last scan that has the problem> and then "write to file" It should then produce a log which you can copy and post in here.
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hijackthis and avg logs
hi thanks for the reply here are my logs
Logfile of HijackThis v1.97.7 Scan saved at 18:42:43, on 27/04/2004 Platform: Windows XP SP1 (WinNT 5.01.2600) MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP1 (6.00.2800.1106) Running processes: C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgamsvr.exe C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgupsvc.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\CTsvcCDA.exe C:\Program Files\Common Files\EPSON\EBAPI\SAgent2.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\nvsvc32.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\MsPMSPSv.exe C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgemc.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\CTHELPER.EXE C:\Program Files\Saitek\Saitek Gaming Extensions\saicnfig.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\gsicon.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\dslagent.exe C:\Program Files\Common Files\Logitech\QCDriver\LVCOMS.EXE C:\Program Files\Real\RealPlayer\RealPlay.exe C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe C:\WINDOWS\csrss.exe C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\MsnMsgr.Exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\ctfmon.exe C:\Program Files\BT Broadband\Help\bin\mpbtn.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\spool\DRIVERS\W32X86\3\E_S10IC 2.EXE C:\hijackthis\HijackThis.exe R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.google.co.uk/ R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Int ernet Settings,ProxyOverride = 127.0.0.1 R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Connection Wizard,Shellnext = http://www.btbroadbandstart.com/ O2 - BHO: (no name) - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 5.0\Reader\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.ocx O2 - BHO: (no name) - {AA58ED58-01DD-4d91-8333-CF10577473F7} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar1.dll O3 - Toolbar: &Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\msdxm.ocx O3 - Toolbar: &Google - {2318C2B1-4965-11d4-9B18-009027A5CD4F} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar1.dll O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVG7_CC] C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgcc.exe /STARTUP O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVG7_EMC] C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgemc.exe O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [WINDVDPatch] CTHELPER.EXE O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Jet Detection] "C:\Program Files\Creative\SBLive\PROGRAM\ADGJDet.exe" O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CTStartup] C:\Program Files\Creative\Splash Screen\CTEaxSpl.EXE /run O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE NvQTwk,NvCplDaemon initialize O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nwiz] nwiz.exe /install O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SAITEKAUTOCONFIGURE] C:\Program Files\Saitek\Saitek Gaming Extensions\saicnfig.exe /autorun O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NeroCheck] C:\WINDOWS\system32\NeroCheck.exe O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [GSICONEXE] gsicon.exe O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [DSLAGENTEXE] dslagent.exe USB O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LVCOMS] C:\Program Files\Common Files\Logitech\QCDriver\LVCOMS.EXE O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [RealTray] C:\Program Files\Real\RealPlayer\RealPlay.exe SYSTEMBOOTHIDEPLAYER O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [csrss] C:\WINDOWS\csrss.exe O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MsnMsgr] "C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\MsnMsgr.Exe" /background O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [ctfmon.exe] C:\WINDOWS\System32\ctfmon.exe O4 - Global Startup: EPSON Status Monitor 3 Environment Check 2.lnk = C:\WINDOWS\system32\spool\drivers\w32x86\3\E_SRCV0 2.EXE O4 - Global Startup: Microsoft Office.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\OSA9.EXE O4 - Global Startup: BT Broadband Help.lnk = C:\Program Files\BT Broadband\Help\bin\matcli.exe O8 - Extra context menu item: &Google Search - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmsearch.html O8 - Extra context menu item: Backward &Links - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmbacklinks.html O8 - Extra context menu item: Cac&hed Snapshot of Page - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmcache.html O8 - Extra context menu item: Si&milar Pages - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmsimilar.html O8 - Extra context menu item: Translate into English - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmtrans.html O9 - Extra button: Real.com (HKLM) O9 - Extra button: Messenger (HKLM) O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger (HKLM) O12 - Plugin for .spop: C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Plugins\NPDocBox.dll O16 - DPF: {0E5F0222-96B9-11D3-8997-00104BD12D94} (PCPitstop Utility) - http://www.pcpitstop.com/pcpitstop/PCPitStop.CAB O16 - DPF: {166B1BCA-3F9C-11CF-8075-444553540000} (Shockwave ActiveX Control) - http://download.macromedia.com/pub/s...rector7/sw.cab O16 - DPF: {41F17733-B041-4099-A042-B518BB6A408C} - http://a1540.g.akamai.net/7/1540/52/...eInstaller.exe O16 - DPF: {70BA88C8-DAE8-4CE9-92BB-979C4A75F53B} (GSDACtl Class) - http://launch.gamespyarcade.com/soft...ch/alaunch.cab O16 - DPF: {74D05D43-3236-11D4-BDCD-00C04F9A3B61} (HouseCall Control) - http://a840.g.akamai.net/7/840/537/2...ll/xscan53.cab O16 - DPF: {80DD2229-B8E4-4C77-B72F-F22972D723EA} (AvxScanOnline Control) - http://www.bitdefender.com/scan/Msie/bitdefender.cab O16 - DPF: {9F1C11AA-197B-4942-BA54-47A8489BB47F} (Update Class) - http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...027.6115740741 O16 - DPF: {D27CDB6E-AE6D-11CF-96B8-444553540000} (Shockwave Flash Object) - http://download.macromedia.com/pub/s...sh/swflash.cab O16 - DPF: {D719897A-B07A-4C0C-AEA9-9B663A28DFCB} (iTunesDetector Class) - http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite...ITDetector.cab O16 - DPF: {F58E1CEF-A068-4C15-BA5E-587CAF3EE8C6} (MSN Chat Control 4.5) - http://chat.msn.com/bin/msnchat45.cab O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{B1670FED-0687-47D6-8E3B-A6E9473579E4}: NameServer = 194.72.9.34 194.74.65.68 Partition table (MBR)okQuick checkedBoot sector of disk C:ChangeChangedSystem registry Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Windows\LoadScannedSystem registry Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Windows\RunScannedSystem registry Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunScannedSystem registry Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnceScannedSystem registry Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnceE xScannedSystem registry Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServi cesScannedSystem registry Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServi cesOnceScannedSystem registry Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunScannedSystem registry Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnceScannedSystem registry Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnceE xScannedSystem registry Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServi cesScannedSystem registry Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServi cesOnceScannedSystem registry Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Winlogon \UserinitScannedSystem registry SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon\ShellScannedSystem registry exefile\shell\open\commandScannedSystem registry scrfile\shell\open\commandScannedSystem registry scrfile\shell\config\commandScannedSystem registry batfile\shell\open\commandScannedSystem registry cmdfile\shell\open\commandScannedSystem registry comfile\shell\open\commandScannedSystem registry piffile\shell\open\commandScannedSystem registry giffile\shell\open\commandScannedSystem registry htmlfile\shell\open\commandScannedSystem registry htafile\shell\open\commandScannedSystem registry jpegfile\shell\open\commandScannedSystem registry txtfile\shell\open\commandScannedSystem registry regfile\shell\open\commandScannedSystem registry Word.Document.8\shell\open\commandScannedSystem registry WordPad.Document.1\shell\open\commandScannedC:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgcc.exeokQuick checkedC:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgemc.exeokQuick checkedC:\Program Files\Common Files\Logitech\QCDriver\LVCOMS.EXEokQuick checkedC:\Program Files\Creative\SBLive\PROGRAM\ADGJDet.exeokQuick checkedC:\Program Files\Creative\Splash Screen\CTEaxSpl.EXEokQuick checkedC:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exeokQuick checkedC:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\MsnMsgr.ExeokQuick checkedC:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\WINWORD.EXEokQuick checkedC:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exeokQuick checkedC:\Program Files\Real\RealPlayer\RealPlay.exeokQuick checkedC:\Program Files\Saitek\Saitek Gaming Extensions\saicnfig.exeokQuick checkedC:\WINDOWS\System32\CTHELPER.EXEokQuick checkedC:\WINDOWS\System32\RUNDLL32.EXEokQuick checkedC:\WINDOWS\System32\ctfmon.exeokQuick checkedC:\WINDOWS\System32\dslagent.exeokQuick checkedC:\WINDOWS\System32\gsicon.exeokQuick checkedC:\WINDOWS\System32\mshta.exeokQuick checkedC:\WINDOWS\System32\nwiz.exeokQuick checkedC:\WINDOWS\System32\rundll32.exeokQuick checkedC:\WINDOWS\csrss.exeokQuick checkedC:\WINDOWS\system32\NeroCheck.exeokQuick checkedC:\IO.SYSokQuick checkedC:\MSDOS.SYSokQuick checkedC:\WINDOWS\System32\kernel32.dllokQuick checkedC:\WINDOWS\System32\wsock32.dllokQuick checkedC:\WINDOWS\System32\user32.dllokQuick checkedC:\WINDOWS\System32\shell32.dllokQuick checkedC:\WINDOWS\System32\ntoskrnl.exeokQuick checked when i click info on boot sector of c: it just says boot sector of c: changed and sometimes when i do another quick test it wont be there but if i do another it will be back i have done a complete test and that finds nothing |
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tried panda
hi tried panda and nothing also tried tried another cant remember which one but that found nothing aswell do you think i should click keep or change when avg finds another as long as it doesnt mess my comp up i wont be botherd but i dont want to do nothing just in case it does oh yes does it mean that avg has fixed the problem in my boot sector or should i use a different antivirus software because it keeps coming back
(formating is an option but i dont know if it will sort the problem out) also when i do a defrag and it says complete and pc pitstop tells me to do one asap any suggestions thanks for your time andy Last edited by andygaskell; April 27th, 2004 at 10:42 PM. |
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Hi again...after further advice Close all open windows...run hijack again and put a check in the boxes for the below entries..then hit "fix checked"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [csrss] C:\WINDOWS\csrss.exe Reboot into safe mode..make sure you can view hidden files .... Go to start>search>files and folders and run a search for and delete the following files and/or folders when/if found. Also ctrl>alt>del to bring up task manager..and end process on the below if running. csrss.exe If you can get hold of a copy of norton disk....2002/3/4 try booting with it..it might just sort the boot virus prob. |
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go to start button go to run and type in msconfig and go to start up tab and take pics of what is starting up at start up
and upload em at imageshack.us and post em here plz |
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Meangean, there is no need for Andy to do that. We can see all his startups in his log.
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hi thanks again for your help i fixed checked rebooted in safe mode csrss.exe is there but i cant delete it and i cant delete the process either it says this is a critical system process and task manager cannot end this process
please can you tell me what it is and if it can/should be removed as i am getting mixed up by the things im reading on google search Last edited by andygaskell; April 28th, 2004 at 10:38 AM. |
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Hi again..yeah I know it is a little confusing....the one you need to get rid of is C:\Windows\csrss.exe
Forget a general search and delete and just navigate to the above. It is a critical file...but only when run from the correct location. Spyware writers use the same names or very similar sometimes to confuse anyone trying to get rid of the crap...It's a good job windows warns when critical files are attempted to be deleted. |
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hi again the only one i can find is csrss
description:winpatch 1.5 company:StarMicrpSdn. file version:3.0.0.0 date created:24/4/2004 20:57 size 106kb is this the one i need to delete and was that 04 - HKLM\..\RUN:[csrss] C:\WINDOWS\csrss.exe that i fixchecked with hijack this the right thing to do or do i have to restore it or something thanks again for your time Last edited by andygaskell; April 28th, 2004 at 01:43 PM. |
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hi in taskmanager ive got 2 csrss.exe processes running
csrss.exe andy&nicola csrss.exe system should i end 1 or both of them and then try to delete csrss from c:windows then run hijackthis Last edited by andygaskell; April 28th, 2004 at 05:12 PM. |
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I would run hijack again...delete the 04 entry....reboot..and then check processes again.See if they are both still running...those 2 are likely to be ok though.
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hi right i couldnt end either process i deleted c:windows\csrss.exe rebooted and guess what ive only got 1 process running csrrs.exe system in task manager and its back in my hijackthis log
Logfile of HijackThis v1.97.7 Scan saved at 17:29:33, on 28/04/2004 Platform: Windows XP SP1 (WinNT 5.01.2600) MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP1 (6.00.2800.1106) Running processes: C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgamsvr.exe C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgupsvc.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\CTsvcCDA.exe C:\Program Files\Common Files\EPSON\EBAPI\SAgent2.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\nvsvc32.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\MsPMSPSv.exe C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgcc.exe C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgemc.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\CTHELPER.EXE C:\Program Files\Saitek\Saitek Gaming Extensions\saicnfig.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\gsicon.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\dslagent.exe C:\Program Files\Common Files\Logitech\QCDriver\LVCOMS.EXE C:\Program Files\Real\RealPlayer\RealPlay.exe C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\MsnMsgr.Exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\ctfmon.exe C:\Program Files\BT Broadband\Help\bin\mpbtn.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\spool\DRIVERS\W32X86\3\E_S10IC 2.EXE C:\hijackthis\HijackThis.exe R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.google.co.uk/ R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Int ernet Settings,ProxyOverride = 127.0.0.1 R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Connection Wizard,Shellnext = http://www.btbroadbandstart.com/ O2 - BHO: (no name) - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 5.0\Reader\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.ocx O2 - BHO: (no name) - {AA58ED58-01DD-4d91-8333-CF10577473F7} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar1.dll O3 - Toolbar: &Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\msdxm.ocx O3 - Toolbar: &Google - {2318C2B1-4965-11d4-9B18-009027A5CD4F} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar1.dll O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVG7_CC] C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgcc.exe /STARTUP O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVG7_EMC] C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgemc.exe O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [WINDVDPatch] CTHELPER.EXE O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Jet Detection] "C:\Program Files\Creative\SBLive\PROGRAM\ADGJDet.exe" O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CTStartup] C:\Program Files\Creative\Splash Screen\CTEaxSpl.EXE /run O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE NvQTwk,NvCplDaemon initialize O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nwiz] nwiz.exe /install O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SAITEKAUTOCONFIGURE] C:\Program Files\Saitek\Saitek Gaming Extensions\saicnfig.exe /autorun O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NeroCheck] C:\WINDOWS\system32\NeroCheck.exe O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [GSICONEXE] gsicon.exe O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [DSLAGENTEXE] dslagent.exe USB O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LVCOMS] C:\Program Files\Common Files\Logitech\QCDriver\LVCOMS.EXE O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [RealTray] C:\Program Files\Real\RealPlayer\RealPlay.exe SYSTEMBOOTHIDEPLAYER O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [csrss] C:\WINDOWS\csrss.exe O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MsnMsgr] "C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\MsnMsgr.Exe" /background O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [ctfmon.exe] C:\WINDOWS\System32\ctfmon.exe O4 - Global Startup: EPSON Status Monitor 3 Environment Check 2.lnk = C:\WINDOWS\system32\spool\drivers\w32x86\3\E_SRCV0 2.EXE O4 - Global Startup: Microsoft Office.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\OSA9.EXE O4 - Global Startup: BT Broadband Help.lnk = C:\Program Files\BT Broadband\Help\bin\matcli.exe O8 - Extra context menu item: &Google Search - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmsearch.html O8 - Extra context menu item: Backward &Links - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmbacklinks.html O8 - Extra context menu item: Cac&hed Snapshot of Page - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmcache.html O8 - Extra context menu item: Si&milar Pages - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmsimilar.html O8 - Extra context menu item: Translate into English - res://C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbar1.dll/cmtrans.html O9 - Extra button: Real.com (HKLM) O9 - Extra button: Messenger (HKLM) O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger (HKLM) O12 - Plugin for .spop: C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Plugins\NPDocBox.dll O16 - DPF: {0E5F0222-96B9-11D3-8997-00104BD12D94} (PCPitstop Utility) - http://www.pcpitstop.com/pcpitstop/PCPitStop.CAB O16 - DPF: {166B1BCA-3F9C-11CF-8075-444553540000} (Shockwave ActiveX Control) - http://download.macromedia.com/pub/s...rector7/sw.cab O16 - DPF: {41F17733-B041-4099-A042-B518BB6A408C} - http://a1540.g.akamai.net/7/1540/52/...eInstaller.exe O16 - DPF: {70BA88C8-DAE8-4CE9-92BB-979C4A75F53B} (GSDACtl Class) - http://launch.gamespyarcade.com/soft...ch/alaunch.cab O16 - DPF: {74D05D43-3236-11D4-BDCD-00C04F9A3B61} (HouseCall Control) - http://a840.g.akamai.net/7/840/537/2...ll/xscan53.cab O16 - DPF: {80DD2229-B8E4-4C77-B72F-F22972D723EA} (AvxScanOnline Control) - http://www.bitdefender.com/scan/Msie/bitdefender.cab O16 - DPF: {9A9307A0-7DA4-4DAF-B042-5009F29E09E1} (ActiveScan Installer Class) - http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan/as5/asinst.cab O16 - DPF: {9F1C11AA-197B-4942-BA54-47A8489BB47F} (Update Class) - http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...027.6115740741 O16 - DPF: {D27CDB6E-AE6D-11CF-96B8-444553540000} (Shockwave Flash Object) - http://download.macromedia.com/pub/s...sh/swflash.cab O16 - DPF: {D719897A-B07A-4C0C-AEA9-9B663A28DFCB} (iTunesDetector Class) - http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite...ITDetector.cab O16 - DPF: {F58E1CEF-A068-4C15-BA5E-587CAF3EE8C6} (MSN Chat Control 4.5) - http://chat.msn.com/bin/msnchat45.cab hope i aint done something wrong the above done in safe mode before reboot and hijackthis after reboot Last edited by andygaskell; April 28th, 2004 at 07:53 PM. |
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