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Old June 11th, 2004, 06:33 PM
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I have AOL does that make any difference? Ive never got my head around Outlook, but it doesnt/didnt work with AOL anyway I dont think

Ive run AVG and Stinger and nothing came up Im pleased to say. Ive no idea how to configure AOL in a similar way (now, there's a surprise )

Im now going to run Norton. You've got me minorly concerned, apart from Norton keep telling me about MSSQL_overflow attacks CONSTANTLY, Ive no evidence of Trouble at mill

Thanks for your help

Julie
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Old June 11th, 2004, 06:40 PM
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Previewing an email actually opens an email, and lets the virus loose
Please don't spread that unfounded rumor.

A WindowsXX operating system with all critical updates is not in any danger
from the preview pane in Outlook or Outlook Express.

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I wish there was a 'safe place' to open stuf like this just to see what it contains(
You've heard of *******'s Box? It's a tale about the dangers of curiosity.
This is what virus writers feed on, your curiosity. It's a virus plain and simple,
there is nothing to look at and it has only one purpose...to infect your system.

*.mim is going to be a virus and if you click on the attachment to see the *.mim
your dead. If your curiosity is stronger than your dislike for having a malfunctioning
computer then you have to sit back and say "Is clicking on this worth having to
pay to have my computer fixed?".
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Old June 11th, 2004, 06:40 PM
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AOL is different, don't panic.

Please do this:

In Internet Explorer click Tools and choose Internet Options.
Go to the Security tab and click the Custom Level button. In the ActiveX section, set:

Download signed ActiveX controls: to ‘Prompt’.
Download unsigned ActiveX controls: to ‘Prompt’.
Initialise and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: to ‘Disable’.

This way when a web site attempts to run an ActiveX program you will be asked for permission. You will now be asked whether you want ActiveX objects to be executed and whether you want software to be installed.

In the Microsoft VM section, set Java Permissions: to ‘High safety’.
In the Miscellaneous section, set Installation of desktop items to ‘Prompt’

Go here and download Spybot Search&Destroy:
http://www.safer-networking.org/inde...&page=download

Check for updates before running the program. A tutorial can be found under help. You can safely delete what it finds.

Do likewise with Adaware 6 that can be found here:
http://lavasoft.element5.com/software/adaware/

Download CW Shredder:

http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/files/cwshredder.zip
Unzip, run and hit the fix tab to fix all found problems.
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Old June 11th, 2004, 06:43 PM
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Please don't spread that unfounded rumor.

A WindowsXX operating system with all critical updates is not in any danger
from the preview pane in Outlook or Outlook Express.

It is not a rumour.
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Old June 11th, 2004, 06:52 PM
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It is not a rumour.
I've been in this conversation many times and I'll prove you wrong as well.
I ask all of the rumor spreaders for the same thing and none of them can
produce it...


...show me a link to a virus explanation that isn't the KAK virus from 1995.

You know how many critical updates there have been since 1995 and how many
new operating systems Microsoft has released?
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Old June 11th, 2004, 06:52 PM
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Please don't spread that unfounded rumor.



You've heard of *******'s Box? It's a tale about the dangers of curiosity.
This is what virus writers feed on, your curiosity. It's a virus plain and simple,
there is nothing to look at and it has only one purpose...to infect your system.
I fully understand that Spider, thank you which is why I IMMEDIATELY deleted the e-mails


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If your curiosity is stronger than your dislike for having a malfunctioning
computer then you have to sit back and say "Is clicking on this worth having to pay to have my computer fixed?".
My curiosity only goes so far as to ask clever people in the know what I wouldnt investigate myself. Knowledge is power in the case of avoiding virii, I think

Thanks for your input

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Old June 11th, 2004, 07:02 PM
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Thanks for your input
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Your very welcome Julie.
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Old June 11th, 2004, 07:02 PM
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TJolly,

Before you spend the next hour in Google trying to come up with something...


...the last person here I had a virus "yes it is no it isn't" chat with was Damhna
http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/...ad.php?t=33780

He was a Symantec employee and he was defending statements he made about
virii. In the end he edited all his posts in that thread for two reasons,
1 - He sent me an email with a virus attachment from his symantec.com email address
2 - He didn't want his posted claims to be read by anyone after he was proved wrong.
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Old June 11th, 2004, 07:05 PM
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AOL is different, don't panic.

Please do this:

In Internet Explorer click Tools and choose Internet Options.
Go to the Security tab and click the Custom Level button. In the ActiveX section, set:

Download signed ActiveX controls: to ‘Prompt’. Set to 'prompt' already
Download unsigned ActiveX controls: to ‘Prompt’. Mine are set to 'disabled', should I change this?

Initialise and script ActiveX controls not marked as safe: to ‘Disable’. Already 'disabled'



In the Microsoft VM section, set Java Permissions: to ‘High safety’. Already set

In the Miscellaneous section, set Installation of desktop items to ‘Prompt’ already set

Go here and download Spybot Search&Destroy:
http://www.safer-networking.org/inde...&page=download

Check for updates before running the program. A tutorial can be found under help. You can safely delete what it finds.

Do likewise with Adaware 6 that can be found here:
http://lavasoft.element5.com/software/adaware/

Download CW Shredder:

http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/files/cwshredder.zip
Unzip, run and hit the fix tab to fix all found problems.
I already run/update both spyBot and Adaware regularly, today, they both came up clean as a whistle! I make the kids use the 2 old PC's as much as poss - this helps. I think Ive got cwshredder, but Ill do that now

Didnt mean to cause friction with my innocent question. Thanks TJ

Julie
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Old June 11th, 2004, 07:20 PM
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...the last person here I had a virus "yes it is no it isn't" chat with was Damhna
http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/...ad.php?t=33780

He was a Symantec employee and he was defending statements he made about
virii. In the end he edited all his posts in that thread for two reasons,
I really enjoyed that . The crop circles and bald spot bit was a killer. Ive gone right off 'bloated, resource hungry Norton now dont think Ill renew when it comes up

Thanks for the laugh there Spider

Julie
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Old June 11th, 2004, 07:23 PM
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Didnt mean to cause friction with my innocent question. Thanks TJ

Julie
a healthy debate is good every once in a while so don't worry about it. We all learned something and I plan to keep my mouth shut as to which side I am on. Which is unusual for me.
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Old June 11th, 2004, 07:31 PM
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a healthy debate is good every once in a while so don't worry about it. We all learned something and I plan to keep my mouth shut as to which side I am on. Which is unusual for me.
Lol Renegade

Who do I believe though? Youve all got knowledge and experience behind you, Im just mostly self taught, enthusiastic amateur (albeit cautious). I enjoyed reading all the to-ings and fro-ings; it is all very enlightening and slightly confusing but fun all the same

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Old June 11th, 2004, 07:43 PM
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I really enjoyed that . The crop circles and bald spot bit was a killer.
Ive gone right off 'bloated, resource hungry Norton now dont think Ill renew when it comes up

Thanks for the laugh there Spider

Julie
Your welcome.

I like analogies, everyone can understand things easier when you use analogies.

As far as "friction" goes well some may think I have a frictionist personality but
I like to think of it more as of "willing to call a spade a spade".

On a board such as CyberTechHelp it's a public forum and many members here
don't have computers in their life as a main source of input. I will always jump
on urban myth spreaders and false computer information spreaders because
other who read their statements may just believe it because they read it on
a help site.

Things said such as that "Outlook preview pane automatic virus infect" thing crop
up now and again and a user may just shut off a very nice feature Microsoft has
incorporated into their software just because someone who is just passing-on
something they've heard on the Web before and never actually researched it.

I like Microsoft products and I'm not shy about standing up for them. The regular
thing one hears on the Web usually is "Microsoft sux" etc. and this is out of frustration
that they can't understand how to move around a Microsoft product or they've
had frustrations with Windows trying to perform something and it never worked
out for them.

The other thing I notice is the same pattern of these urban myth spreaders. They
will strongly support their beliefs in a quick post of "yes it is" but when asked
to provide a substantial link from a professional site there are asked to provide
some research proof and for the first time they go hunting for proof because
they've already talked themselves into their own trap.

The funny thing for me is if they had just researched it the first time they heard
it they would know what the facts are and never make a claim about something
they don't actually know anything about other than it's "hearsay" and any proficient
person will never believe anything that's only source is hearsay.

In the meantime I'll guarantee you TJolly is pouring through Google with a fervor
not often seen. His/her lack of reply here is a indicator of that.
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Old June 11th, 2004, 08:09 PM
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As far as "friction" goes well some may think I have a frictionist personality but
I like to think of it more as of "willing to call a spade a spade".
I appreciate your directness; Ive been accused of being antagonistic myself (not on here though, wouldnt dare )

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I like Microsoft products and I'm not shy about standing up for them. The regular
thing one hears on the Web usually is "Microsoft sux" etc. and this is out of frustration
that they can't understand how to move around a Microsoft product or they've
had frustrations with Windows trying to perform something and it never worked
out for them.
Im a Microsoft fan myself; a Bill Gates fan even. I admire his business acumen and his resilience



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In the meantime I'll guarantee you TJolly is pouring through Google with a fervor not often seen. His/her lack of reply here is a indicator of that.
His fervour is to be admired then; at least he hasnt just come back on here and waded in. He has been very kind and helpful; he may of course just gone to have his evening meal. Its that time of day here in England
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Old June 11th, 2004, 09:13 PM
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a Bill Gates fan even.
I like the man to, it's his haircuts that I question

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His fervour is to be admired then; at least he hasnt just come back on here and waded in. He has been very kind and helpful
Yes he is definitely a good helper and has helped many members here.
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